Posted on 03/10/2017 12:02:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I don’t think he plays for that team.
Better to suppress the permanent diaconate.
Bing for edward peters clerical continence eucharistic realism.
Why does an anti-Catholic care one way or the other?
Marriage doesn’t prevent pedophilia.
This is wrong on so many levels.
First of all, the RCC already HAS married clergy. They’re called Deacons. They are essentially part-time Priests (the ones I know work almost full time, on top of regular jobs and family duties) who are allowed to perform all the rites, communion, weddings, funerals, baptisms EXCEPT the blessing of the Bread and Wine.
Deacons generally back up the Priest in busy, populated parishes.
What’s at stake here is the priestly vows-—not merely of celibacy, but of poverty and obedience, too. Priests are required to be materially poor and totally married to / obedient to the Church.
The Priest / unmarried may “devote himself [exclusively] to matters pertaining to God.”
The Deacon /married man, OTOH, “must necessarily [and first] devote himself to matters pertaining to his wife.”
IOW, the Priest must sacrifice everything for Christ and be prepared to go where the Church needs him at a moment’s notice. He must not store up treasures on earth or be concerned with his children’s inheritance.
The Deacon is required to have a primary job to support his family (Priestly poverty is waived for married Deacons) and when the Church needs to move him elsewhere, he must ask his wife’s permission.
Aaaaaand, she gets to say no. So, to hell with obedience, too.
Two thoughts: Francis really needs to read the Bible.
And he needs to remember it’s the Catholic Church. We don’t want to be turned into a Protestant church.
Well the Eastern Rite Catholics allows for married priests.
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>> “Well the Eastern Rite Catholics allows for married priests.” <<
Well, biblically there are no “priests,” but the word does demand that every pastor be married, and have children of good report.
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The Greek translations are hard to prove anything by.
Since the writings in the original language are not available, we are left with guesswork, but the general pagan disposition of all things catholic would intricate that the ‘idea’ of a priest is what they desired.
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It doesn't demand it. It assumes it. Christ was not married, neither was the Apostle John.
How's that again? What "Greek translations"?
Anyone who's any kind of scholar of the NT knows about the office of "elder" or "presbyter". Anyone who consults a competently written English dictionary can plainly see that the origin of the English word "priest" is the Greek word "presbyteros".
I'm not sure why ordaining married men to the priesthood would cause a schism. The Greek Catholics already have married priests, and married ex-Protestant clergy are sometimes ordained to the priesthood in the Western church.
Whether it's a good idea or not, is another question entirely. But it's not contrary-to-the-faith.
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I’m not arguing that there were not “elders.”
But “elders” were not of the same stature as the teachers that the apostles left in charge as they moved on.
They were helpers.
I think the disagreements come over how the terms found in the New Testament are to be interpreted--did they mean the same in the apostolic age as they did later (when we have fuller records)?
When you read history you will discover that celibacy was expected from the start, at times things got lack as they often do with human beings involved, but then they would return to the norm that Our Lord modeled.
Married men abuse children too, often their own children or step-children.
The "teachers that the apostles left in charge" were properly called "overseers," in Greek, "episkopoi," from which we get the English word "bishop".
And you're correct, the "presbyteroi" (elders, priests) were the helpers of the "episkopoi" and were responsible to them. Ignatius discusses this in his letters.
I know Catholic priest missionaries in Africa, they are not married. I know priests born in Africa, they are not married.
I see. No one else can care. Got it.
Why dont you post this with a snowflake safe space “catholic caucus” on it, then?
Surprise! One of the Church’s family issues is polygamy
https://cruxnow.com/church/2014/09/11/surprise-one-of-the-churchs-family-issues-is-polygamy/
Married Priests: Letter to Pope Francis
http://marriedpriests.org/
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