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Is Pope Francis Really "Not Against" the Enneagram?
EWTN UK ^ | 12/19/16 | Deacon Nick Donnelly

Posted on 12/19/2016 5:54:09 PM PST by marshmallow

Austen Ivereigh, a journalist for the Catholic news website Crux, has written a post celebrating Pope Francis's 80th birthday in which he claims that the Holy Father is "not against" the Enneagram, though he does have reservations about its misuse:

"Pope Francis, incidentally, knows the Enneagram well and is not against it. But he is wary of the way it can be misused and lead to excessive introspection if not deployed within a solid spiritual framework."

In his post Ivereigh also wrote approvingly of the Enneagram, tracing its origin back to the Desert Fathers, the founders of early Christian monasticism:

"On the Enneagram, that personality-type identifier first created by the desert fathers which received its modern form from the Jesuits, Francis is an Eight - as Father Richard Rohr OFM, the leading Catholic authority on the Enneagram, has confirmed to me in an email. (Pope Francis, incidentally, knows the Enneagram well and is not against it. But he is wary of the way it can be misused and lead to excessive introspection if not deployed within a solid spiritual framework.)

The Enneagram has long been used in retreat houses to help people identify their core compulsion, usually a driving need or desire inherited from childhood which in adulthood needs to be ‘redeemed’ if it is not to hamper our ability to function and relate to others. Eights are paradoxically both leaders and rebels, life’s “challengers.” Fearless and intuitive, often breathtakingly blunt, they instinctively go against elites, and have an uncommon ability to identify injustice and oppression. They grasp power, and know how to build it and use it. They have an extraordinary capacity to improvise, to live on the fly, and to deal with pressure.

What they do with this gift depends on their spiritual capacity. History, from King David.......

(Excerpt) Read more at ewtn.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: claptrap; hoakum; mumbojumbo; superstitious
Key quote from the article:

The only authoritative assessment of the Enneagram issued by the Catholic Church is to be found in the 2003 examination of the New Age movement, Jesus Christ: The Bearer of the Water of Life. It was promulgated by the Pontifical Council for Culture and the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.

The Holy See presents the Enneagram as the principle example of "New Age" gnosticism that is, in the words of Pope St John Paul II, in "conflict with all that is essentially Christian”.

1 posted on 12/19/2016 5:54:09 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

It’s an inexpensive Briggs-Myers type of test


2 posted on 12/19/2016 5:56:31 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Where's Hillary?)
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To: marshmallow

The enneagram isn’t based on religion. Not sure what the fuss is about.


3 posted on 12/19/2016 6:05:37 PM PST by Andy'smom (Proud member of the basket of deplorables)
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To: marshmallow

That enneagram belongs with other play sciences.

Like astrology.


4 posted on 12/19/2016 6:06:36 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: marshmallow
"The Holy See presents the Enneagram as the principle example of "New Age" gnosticism that is, in the words of Pope St John Paul II, in "conflict with all that is essentially Christian”.

That is my position as well.

5 posted on 12/19/2016 6:07:03 PM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...".)
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To: marshmallow

I read the report when it first was issued and have wanted to read it again, but I forgot the title of the document, so thanks for posting this.


6 posted on 12/19/2016 6:12:42 PM PST by Montaignes Cat
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To: Da Coyote

My remark is NOT intended to be an insult to Catholid doctrine.

It is meant to be a barb at psychology.


7 posted on 12/19/2016 6:15:09 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

When you flip it over it looks satanic


8 posted on 12/19/2016 6:17:24 PM PST by micmac
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To: Da Coyote

Like this Pope.


9 posted on 12/19/2016 6:17:28 PM PST by onedoug
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To: stocksthatgoup
MB or the enneagram has great popularity as a simple easy do-it-yourself pop psychology "test," bit it has no empirical reliability. Maybe entertaining as a Parlor game, but nothing more. About the same level as astrology.
10 posted on 12/19/2016 6:29:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Da Coyote

I’m thinking that the only reason this Enneagram
is being used is because some corporate consulting
psychologists decided they weren’t getting high enough
fees using the four zone personality grid and the Johari Window.


11 posted on 12/19/2016 6:29:08 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: marshmallow

I worry more about the so called “Catholics” helping islam spread and curry the Africans to pinch off more evil offspring humping virgins to cure their AIDs.


12 posted on 12/19/2016 6:37:21 PM PST by soycd
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To: shibumi

The four zone personality grid is totally garbage.

But managers praise it like it is the holy grail of customer and coworker interaction.


13 posted on 12/19/2016 6:44:30 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I have a “garbage eye view” for the whole field of psychology.

Dr. Robert Hartley was the only shrink I ever thought was worth a fig.


14 posted on 12/19/2016 6:48:10 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: marshmallow

He’s trying to immanetize the eschaton.


15 posted on 12/19/2016 7:07:37 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Nice reference, very RAW.


16 posted on 12/19/2016 7:39:29 PM PST by Montaignes Cat
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To: marshmallow

I enjoy talking personality test and have tried many.

Strengths Finder 100% Took in 2007 and look at results daily.
Myers Briggs 40% Helpful for about two years then useless.
Taylor Caldwell 20% Nice questions. Useless results.
Enneagram 0% boring for adults, fun for hippies and freaks.


17 posted on 12/19/2016 8:15:42 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: shibumi

So do I.

It’s just not possible to quantify the human condition like psychologists claim to do.

Just like the four-zone personality thing. Everyone falls into every category. Not one person falls into one category all the time. It’s complete utter crap.


18 posted on 12/19/2016 8:42:13 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

It’s really no different than those “California Psychics” on TV.

They make such generalized statements that their advice will fit just about everyone.

And they take snippets of personal information to “customize” the presentation
which renders the gullible “amazed” at how accurate they are.


19 posted on 12/19/2016 8:50:16 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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