Posted on 12/15/2016 5:36:20 PM PST by marshmallow
are all catholic priests like you??
Why?
If you are not catholic why do you care as you do not believe what they are?
Why be in any denomination you dont believe? It is lazy and stupid. Its stupid and a waste of time to go through the motions and it is offensive to people who really do believe in the by umbelievers demeaning them.
In the Orthodox Church it’s customary when visiting another parish to ask the priest in advance for his blessing to commune the Holy Mysteries of the Altar. If you present yourself for communion and the priest doesn’t recognize you there is a very good chance you will get the priestly third degree...
“Are you Orthodox?”
“Have you kept the fast?”
“When was the last time you went to confession?”
The correct answers are yes, yes and within the last 24 hours.
I don’t think you know the meaning of the term “logic,” so there’s no point conversing with you.
The argument I just used is called “reductio ad absurdum,” and it is valid.
The argument I just used is called “reductio ad absurdum,” and it is valid.
Dude, you and logic do not go together.
Let the Catholic come to their spouse’s church. We don’t deny the Lord’s Supper to any bible believing Christian, whether they give their money to another church or not.
Ouderkirk, your attitude shows true comprehension and respect. <p
Excellent qualities, and rare I appreciate you!
It is my impression that you do not know the meaning of the phrase “formally valid.”
To test my impression, I will ask you to answer the following question, yes or no.
Is the following syllogism formally valid?
—Mary is the mother of Jesus.
—Jesus is God.
—Mary is the mother of God.
Dude, I’ve told you on other threads...not playing that game. Your feeble attempt at logic fails again.
You once again prove yourself without intellectual honesty.
You have no reason to be reluctant to answer the question, no matter what your theological opinions may be.
The correct answer is Yes.
The fact that you refuse to answer the question is evidence that you do not know the meaning of the phrase “formally valid.”
Or, it means that you are too stupid to recognize that admitting to the formal validity of a syllogism does not commit you to the truth of any proposition.
It’s always entertaining to be able to get you to collaborate in proving that you are intellectually dishonest, or stupid, or both. You always cooperate.
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Mary existed before Jesus.
Jesus cannot be eternal.
or
Jesus is the Father's son.
Mary is the mother of Jesus as moms are older than their children
Mary and the Father are married.
or
Mary is the mother of God
Holy Spirit is God
Mary is the mother of the Holy Spirit
This foolishness could go on but the astute reader will understand why your pathetic attempt at "logic" fails.
The bible notes Mary is the mother of Jesus and that's what we should accept. Anything beyond that begins to become absurd and leads to very, very bad theology.
After 20 years of marriage, hubby entered the Church through private interviews and tutelage from a good, holy priest. (NOT RCIA) Before then, he did not receive Holy Communion at Mass, though he faithfully attended with the family and raised our sons as Catholics.
He chose Michael as his Confirmation name, and our oldest son stood as his sponsor. One of my top 5 happiest days ever.
Regards,
You commit a formal logical blunder in EACH of your examples. E.g., undistributed middle.
You leave no room for doubt that you have never studied logic, and that you don’t even have a natural, instinctive grasp of what it is about.
All you seem to know is that being “logical” is supposed to be a good thing, and being “illogical” is supposed to be a bad thing. But you literally have no clue what logic is about, or how to avoid the most glaring violations of the rules of inference.
It follows the same pattern you use. If we presume to use Catholic “logic” then each of these applies. It’s called illustrating the absurd with the absurd.
Here is a syllogism:
Alice is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a plumber.
Alice is the mother of a plumber.
Here is another syllogism:
Sally is the mother of Ferdinand.
Ferdinand is God.
Sally is the mother of God.
Here is another syllogism:
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.
I have asked you on a number of occasions whether syllogisms of this form are valid. You refuse to answer—thereby proving yourself EITHER intellectually dishonest, or merely too stupid to understand the question.
The correct answer, of course, is that all three syllogisms are formally identical, and all are valid.
Holy Spirit is God
Mary is the mother of the Holy Spirit
If, and it's a huge if, your "logic" is true, then the above is true.
However, it is not supported by Scripture nor is your continued assertion of your little example.
That's what's wrong with the catholic position regarding Mary being the "mother of God". It goes way beyond what's recorded in Scripture about Mary and God Himself.
It conveys that God had to be created and Mary was in existence before God. Both of which we know to be false...well, Christians recognize that. What you recognize is beyond me.
My late husband was rcc. I never was, never will be. Went to mass with him for several years to see if perhaps I could be, and although it would have been nice to worship with him, the Lord was not willing. Never had any inkling to join. Actually, the more I attended mass, the less desire I had to have anything to do with the rcc. It is a Holy Spirit thing...
My husband didn’t care if I took communion or not. Early on in our marriage, I didn’t realize the difference in theology of communion, so, I often took it. Over the span of a few years though, I just couldn’t handle the whole mass thing anymore, so we began to worship separately. It worked for us, but was not what either wanted.
On occasions when I would attend a rcc service (Christmas Eve, weddings, funerals, etc), his mother would come unglued if I did take communion, but his aunts (both of them nuns) would be upset if I didn’t. Always had to figure out who to make mad that day! And yes, they knew I never had an interest in their theology, but was evangelical. Having been more educated in the rcc theological view, I do not partake. But still, it would have been nice to be “allowed” by the human powers that be to participate with my beloved.
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