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Time to choose sides in the civil war over Amoris Laetitia says Catholic academic
https://www.ewtn.co.uk ^ | December 6, 2016 | DEACON NICK DONNELLY

Posted on 12/06/2016 7:00:25 PM PST by NKP_Vet

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Hopefully these four Cardinals, who refuse to preach error to please Bergoglio, will be the reason he's removed from the papacy.
1 posted on 12/06/2016 7:00:25 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

From your mouth to God’s ear.


2 posted on 12/06/2016 7:08:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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I have not read all 250 pages but it seems the only real issue is communion to divorced couples, right? On SSA, SSM, abortion etc he is on the traditional side or am I missing something else.


3 posted on 12/06/2016 7:10:14 PM PST by reaganaut (Yes I am female, yes I love guns, yes I carry and yes I reload and handload my own ammo.)
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To Pope Francis: I support the 4 cardinals' letter pleading for clarity
4 posted on 12/06/2016 7:21:25 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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No, it isn’t. The faithful don’t have to choose sides in these matters until it affects them personally.


5 posted on 12/06/2016 7:42:19 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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No, it isn’t. The faithful don’t have to choose sides in these matters until it affects them personally.

So you don't love you neighbor, as yourself?

6 posted on 12/06/2016 7:48:03 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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By picking sides in their arguments?


7 posted on 12/06/2016 7:51:54 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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Yes, we do have to choose sides. We are all called to spread the Gospel. So we have to know what Gospel we’re going to spread. The one given to us by Our Lord and Savior, or one that is different from that. By the very definition of being a Christian, it affects us personally.


8 posted on 12/06/2016 7:52:11 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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What so hard about picking the Truth and then defending it?


9 posted on 12/06/2016 7:53:40 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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And if you're wrong theologically then you are guilty of heresy and schism and excommunicated from the Church and deprived of the grace of God that is obtained by the Church's prayers.

Good luck to you.

10 posted on 12/06/2016 7:53:43 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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You say Cardinals = The Truth.

Caridnalolatry.

11 posted on 12/06/2016 7:55:12 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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No. I’m saying Jesus Christ speaks the Truth and that at least four orthodox cardinals agree with Him, as do I.

If you want to stand on the sidelines, so be it.

“But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth”. Revelation 3:16.


12 posted on 12/06/2016 8:02:13 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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And if you're wrong theologically

So the Church was "wrong theologically" until the advent of Bergoglio? Too great a stretch.

"As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema." (Gal 1:9)

13 posted on 12/06/2016 8:04:09 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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And I'm saying that you have made yourself Pope and have become Protestant.

If you want to stand with the fake-fervent in Hell, the Luthers and the Mohammeds and the Albigensians and Marcel Lefebvre, then so be it.

The Cardinals do not speak authoritatively but merely ask questions. You are not standing with them by answering the questions yourself and neither is de Matteo.

Now if you were divorced and remarried and wondering about Communion, then yes--you would need to figure this one out.

14 posted on 12/06/2016 8:06:44 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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Thank you for your Bible verses, Satan. Or should I say, Luther?

Non praevalebunt.

15 posted on 12/06/2016 8:08:42 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel— not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1: 6-9).

I’m quite confident of at least several things... that Our Lord meant it when he said that divorce and remarriage is adultery. That the Church has taught for two millennia that unrepentant adulterers cannot receive Holy Communion. That even the Pope cannot change that.

I will cast my lot with Christ and his clear teaching, as faithfully and authoritatively handed down by the successors to the apostles for the last 2,000 years, rather than in a non-infallible document that contradicts that teaching. You’re free to do otherwise, but I suggest you heed Galatians 1:6-9, above.


16 posted on 12/06/2016 8:09:01 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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Leave the faithful alone. The Church has survived for 2,000 years without you, and it will survive your faithlessness.

In faithlessness you have cast a lot where no lot need to be cast.
In faithlessness you have anathematized the visible source of unity in the Church because it aggravated your neurons the wrong way.
In faithlessness you set up the false dichotomy between Cardinals and Pope.
In faithlessness you judge what you have no authority to judge.
In faithlessness you doubt the promises of Christ.
In faithlessness you agitate in public against the bishops of the Church.
In faithlessness you revert to your Protestant ways.

Now repent you wicked, faithless man and embrace the Church of God in Sacramental Confession before death catches you unawares.

17 posted on 12/06/2016 8:15:42 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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Now if you were divorced and remarried and wondering about Communion, then yes--you would need to figure this one out.

No, I wouldn't have to "figure this one out". I already know that committing adultery and receiving Communion in that state are both mortal sins.

Are you even a Catholic?

18 posted on 12/06/2016 8:15:42 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Are you drunk?


19 posted on 12/06/2016 8:17:09 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Good job.

Are you still a Catholic according to canon law?

20 posted on 12/06/2016 8:18:26 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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