Posted on 08/05/2016 7:25:04 AM PDT by Salvation
OK,this must be non-sequitur day.
I'm just getting tired of people, including Pope Francis, claim the Holy Ghost is inspiring every abomination that pops into their heads.
we all beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord (2 Corinthians 3:18)
There’s a difference between the glorious sacred art of a Catholic civilization, and revolting abominations. Please do not conflate the two.
Thank you.
Don’t worry; I’m not confused.
But what is confusing, if not downright heretical, is Amoris Laetitia and Laudato Si. Do you think either of those documents are “surprises” from the Holy Ghost?
Ha! No, the Holy Spirit is not just anything that’s blowin’ in the wind...
And Scripture says God is not the Author of confusion.
I agree. There IS a very good reason why God commanded His people to NOT make graven images of Him or anything else for the purpose of worship. He KNOWS us so well! I think people will be quite surprised to look upon the face of Jesus - the REAL one - because they will realize that whatever some artist imagined will be a poor substitute. When we go to be with Him we will see Him as He is - I think it will blow our minds!
“My dear Boogieman, if the Bible’s enough for you, why on earth are you quoting Tertullian?”
Apples & oranges. You take my response to a question about artwork, imagery, and then try to apply the answer to a question about commentary, the written word. They’re two entirely different things, so don’t assume my opinion on the one is the same of the other. I agree with Tertullian and he expresses the salient points on the matter better than I can, so why not quote him? I could make the case from the Bible myself but Tertullian already made it almost two millenia ago, so why go through the effort again for an internet comment board?
“BTW, the two greatest anti-idolatry voices in the early Church, Tertullian and Gregory the Great, both noted that the carved images of the Cherubim in the Holy of Holys, and the bronze serpent lifted up by Moses, were NOT against God’s law because they were NOT meant for idolatrous purposes.”
Incorrect, as already demonstrated in Tertullian’s quote about the bronze serpent that I quoted to you. That chapter specifically addressed that objection, and Tertullian was clear that only an express individual commandment from God himself was what allowed the prohibition against idolatry to be avoided in those cases. He advised us to follow the example of Moses, so if God told us to make an image, then we were free to do so, otherwise it is prohibited.
“And normal people understand this. Rare is the crank who would object to Christmas Nativity figurines, or carven angels found next to the “Praying Hands” on tombstones in Christian cemeteries.”
These kinds of arguments carry no weight for me. The kingdom of heaven isn’t a democracy, and God didn’t consult our sensibilities when He gave us the law. If God forbids us to make or use religious imagery, then that is the end of the matter. Saying “everybody else does it” is not going to sway me.
I don't think it does at all. Watching an actor portray our Lord in film isn't much different that listening to a story about the Lord or reading the stories in the Bible. In these cases, we are not "venerating", worshipping or bowing down to a movie or book. Do these media draw us closer to the Lord by causing us to think on what He has done and learn from Him? Then, that is their purpose. They are also NOT something Almighty God forbid us to do. We are, however, admonished to read and study Scripture and to train up our children in the ways of the Lord.
So, sorry, Sal, Boogieman's "notion" is not discredited.
Romans 14:3-4
Not that that has stopped the Catholic from bashing the non-Catholic.
Romans 14:13-23
I’m sorry, for it seems I previously made an assumption about you that wasn’t accurate. I now conclude that you DO object to Christmas Nativity figurines, or carven angels found next to the “Praying Hands” on tombstones in Christian cemeteries? Is that accurate?
Do these media draw us closer to the Lord by causing us to think on what He has done and learn from Him?
Several years ago, my wife and I were at a Lutheran Church for the baptism of a nephew. We were in the balcony, which gave us a good view of the images in the stained glass windows. One of the images was of the Good Shepherd. As I looked at the image, my heart was touched by the tenderness with which Jesus gazed upon His sheep, and it occurred to me that Jesus looks on us with the same tenderness. In this moment of grace, this medium truly drew me closer to the Lord.
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