Card. Caffarra: If even a cardinal tells you something not in line with the Catechism, don’t listen

Life Site News ^ | July 13, 2016 | Claire Chretien

[Petrosius]

They went to the Holy Spirit for guidance received that guidance then implemented it and that is what you call tradition?

You should look again at the whole episode. The dispute arose in Antioch, not Jerusalem. The church at Antioch did not rely solely on Scripture, it did not seek guidance from the Holy Spirit on its own; rather it sent representatives to the leaders of the Church in Jerusalem. It was they, the apostles and presbyters, not the local congregation in Antioch, not the individual believers, who spoke with the authority of the Holy Spirit. Note also that their ruling did not become binding because it was latter included in the Bible. Rather, it was latter included in the Bible because it was an example of the hierarchy of the Church exercising their authority in the name of the Holy Spirit. This authority did not cease to exist when the books of the New Testament were finished.

Saint Paul also speaks of the importance of Tradition:

I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Cor 11:2)

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thess 2:15)

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of [our] Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thess 3:6)

Take as your norm the sound words that you heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. Guard this rich trust with the help of the holy Spirit that dwells within us. (2 Tim 1:13,14)

And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well. (2 Tim 2:2)

As for you quotation concerning the authority of Scripture, we too hold to its authority. What you have not shown is anywhere in the Bible that declares sola scriptura, that is Scripture alone. This is a man-made tradition of Martin Luther, not something found in the Bible.

[mrobisr]

“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thess 2:15)”

Notice that it says by oral statement or letter, so if the Epistle’s of the Apostles disagree with your tradition which they do your ccc (tradition) is wrong. Also tradition can be what day of the week, time, or little things like that also which really don’t amount to nothing when we speak of eternal salvation.

Your tradition has drifted so far from the Letter/Epistles that you can’t recognize the truth right in from of you.

“What you have not shown is anywhere in the Bible that declares sola scriptura, that is Scripture alone. This is a man-made tradition of Martin Luther, not something found in the Bible.”

My teacher is Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:8) I try to emulate him. With that being said he always used Scripture to defeat the Devil never once did he use tradition. Our fight is against the Devil, so your man tools will not get the job done (Ephesians 6:12). If Jesus the Son of God had to use Scripture to defeat the Devil then I must also. Words of God.

1 Peter 4:17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

17 For the time is, that judgment should begin at the house of God. And if first at us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel of God?

2 Peter 1:19 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

19 And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1 John 2:14 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

14 I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.

1 John 2:26 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

26 These things have I written to you, concerning them that seduce you.

2 Peter 3:16 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

Your tradition has you bowing and kissing statues of wood, plastic, and stone thinking you can save yourself by eating something all of which are completely against the Word of God (OT Scriptures, Gospels and Epistles). Your tradition talks about a queen of heaven, but the only queen of heaven is in Jeremiah 7:18 and unfortunately that is exactly what the RCC has made the Mother of Jesus into through warped tradition.

You have been forewarned by Holy Scripture. When standing in front of that Great White Throne I promise you the ccc will not hold water.

[Petrosius]

Notice that it says by oral statement or letter, so if the Epistle’s of the Apostles disagree with your tradition which they do your ccc (tradition) is wrong.

Nothing in Catholic Sacred Tradition disagrees with Sacred Scripture so you argument fails.

Also tradition can be what day of the week, time, or little things like that also which really don’t amount to nothing when we speak of eternal salvation.

None of the is what Catholics call Sacred Tradition. Tradition is the apostolic teaching that has been faithfully handed down through the Church. It concerns itself with doctrine, life and worship. If it were not for Tradition we would not know what were the books of the Bible in the first place. Tradition is not to be confused with the minor customs that have arisen over the centuries and are peripheral to this.

My teacher is Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:8) I try to emulate him.

As is true of Catholics.

With that being said he always used Scripture to defeat the Devil never once did he use tradition.

And he also established a hierarchical Church that teaches with the authority of the Holy Spirit. It's in the Bible.

Again, you cannot show where the Bible itself teaches sola scriptura because it is not in there. To believe in the Bible is to believe in the hierarchical Church that it proclaims Jesus established. It is a package deal. You cannot have one without the other.