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Obedience to God's Word
Grace to You.org ^ | 1997 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 07/12/2016 6:41:24 PM PDT by metmom

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To: Just mythoughts

Are you proud of how well you’re following the prophet, following the Law of Moses?


21 posted on 07/14/2016 6:56:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Just mythoughts
But hey you think you are set aside to ignore the Ten Commandment then you and you alone will get to answer for your beliefs.

So; you have NO idea what a COVENANT entails; or to whom it is binding; eh?

22 posted on 07/14/2016 1:00:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Just mythoughts
In the parable of the ‘rich’ man, Luke 16, Abraham told the ‘rich’ man ‘

And just WHO is this 'rich man'?


He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


Father Abraham.

It appears he was an ISRAELITE!

23 posted on 07/14/2016 1:04:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Are you proud of how well you’re following the prophet, following the Law of Moses?

I discern the spirit of the accuser in your question... Christ said Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

This was pronounced before one jot or tittle of the so called 'New Testament' was ever recorded on plant fibers or animal skins. So it was in and through those elected holy prophets that Christ said HE foretold all things.

IIPeter 3:2 That ye maybe mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the COMMANDMENTS of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior:

Even Paul ... Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith ...

The law and what was fulfilled is the ABC's of Christianity. Have another 'god' there is NO grace...

Paul again IICorinthians 10: whole chapter... Paul is making Moses, as did Christ part of the 'gospel'.... particularly verse 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: (examples) and they are written for our admonition (warning), upon whom the ends of the world (age.... II Peter 3 there are three different heaven and earth ages according to Peter) are come.

We have the 'script' that is being fulfilled... right down to the jot and tittle.. from the holy prophets... which by the way are presently 'Christian'!!!

24 posted on 07/15/2016 12:27:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Making 'the law and prophet' the mark is to set yourself up to run on pride ... Mormons do it, Catholics do it, except Catholics use the Magisterium as their stand-in 'prophet'.

Are you a Mormon?

25 posted on 07/15/2016 3:56:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN

Ignoring the law makes a lawless society... And there is no Grace for the lawless.


26 posted on 07/15/2016 9:30:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
To 'believe' in, means to follow the instructions given by Christ. He said repeatedly 'keep' my commandments. It is the fiber of Christianity

Then Mormons are in BIG trouble!

27 posted on 07/16/2016 3:28:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Just mythoughts
You really do not understand the Grace of God in Christ, do you! How proud are you of your 'following the laws of Moses'? Grace is not conditional. With the Grace of God in Christ, a believer is made a new creature and God has Promised to raise that newborn up in the way that they should go. He is gentle but firm.

The law was given as 'a school master' (according to Paul) and a school master is a disciplinarian requiring strict obedience. Mormonism has raised that stricture to new heights, and therein appealed tot he pride of self in adherents. If you kept every one of the Ten and were proud of yourself for it, you would fail in the task because of your pride, pride which takes from the Glory due ONLY to Jesus and applies it to self as 'worthy of the Grace'. Your subtle effort to shift verbiage to 'lawless' was duly noted. Your accusation of my questions being asked in the spirit of 'the accuser' was also noted and quite typical of one so full of their pride in self that they manipulate their own mind to avoid confronting their 'lawlessness' due to abiding pride.

I am an old sinner born from above by the Grace of God in Christ. I am due zero honor and Jesus is due ALL the glory and has taken on the task of raising this old sinner up in a new way that I should go, where His character is displayed when I seek His shelter from my Adamic nature. That nature will remain with me until He transforms me in the twinkling of an eye, at the Rapture of HIS BODY of believers.

I am so looking forward to that day of deliverance because I will be delivered from temptations which appeal to the Adamic nature, the nature which has at its core the pride of self. Paul said that trying to keep the laws puts one back under the laws. Then he asked his audience: Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

28 posted on 07/16/2016 9:12:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Gal 2: 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
29 posted on 07/16/2016 9:20:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Just mythoughts; MHGinTN
And there is no Grace for the lawless.

On the contrary, grace is only for the lawless.

Without sin, there is no need for grace.

We don't earn grace by keeping the law. You can't because the very act of earning makes whatever God gives us wages due which immediately nullifies it as being grace.

30 posted on 07/19/2016 10:06:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Just mythoughts; MHGinTN
We are not under the law of blood sacrifices... Sin is the transgression of law. And this world is overflowing with sin, transgression of God’s laws. Those Ten Commandments are still in effect... You really think having another “god” than the Heavenly Father is covered by grace?

Everything is covered by grace.

The purpose of the Law is not so that we can keep it. It's not so that we can become righteous by living by it, which nobody can. It's to lead us to Christ so that we can be justified by faith.

We were not set free from the law so that we can now put ourselves back under its bondage.

By the way, good luck with trying to keep the Law. NOBODY, except Jesus, was ever able to do it. And the more you try to do it, the worse you are going to fail.

31 posted on 07/19/2016 10:12:54 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Just mythoughts; MHGinTN
Those Ten Commandments are still in effect...

Yes, in that they identify sin for us. What was sin still is sin.

But at the Council at Jerusalem, these were the instructions given to the early church where the whole matter of the necessity of Christians to keep the Law came up for debate.

Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’

Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:

“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

32 posted on 07/19/2016 10:21:13 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

The wages of ‘sin’ is death. Even all those that Christ ministered to back to the time of Noah, flesh died under the law. Those that accepted Christ while He was in the tomb were the first Christians... The flesh body requires the law to maintain a civil society, and blessings from the Heavenly Father.

I have NEVER contended Grace is of the law... Grace is unmerited favor, and Christ paid an awesome price to bestow grace upon us. Flesh is bound by God’s law of gravity... think NOT jump off a tall building.. Unless you have a nice cushion to land upon GRACE is NOT going to save your flesh body. Revelation 22 makes it as plain as day those that break God’s law will NOT have access to the Tree of Life, which is the same as grace... And that ‘Tree of Life’ was planted in the Garden of Eden... And when Adam and Eve broke God’s law they were removed from the presence of the ‘Tree of life’.

Christ said He came NOT to change one jot or tittle of the law, but to fulfill. And what He fulfilled was the required blood sacrifices for the remissions of sin. Christ - Grace became the one and for all time perfect sacrifice so that Hebrews 2:14 would be fulfilled. Those that ignore the Ten Commandments are NOT going to receive GRACE... The Bible says so.


33 posted on 07/20/2016 9:23:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Hey, YOU'RE the one who said.....And there is no Grace for the lawless.

And if you make it conditional on keeping the Ten Commandments, then it is no longer grace, but wages due for work performed.

34 posted on 07/20/2016 10:27:45 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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