Posted on 07/01/2016 6:17:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
Pope Francis says that the Church should apologize to homosexuals. But how should we go about it?
The Holy Father made it clear, in that remarkable statement, that he thought individual Christians, not the universal Church, had mistreated homosexuals. Certainly I should apologize to anyone that I have offended. But I can’t apologize on behalf of others, especially if I am not aware of how they have given offense. What it is, exactly, for which apologies are due?
Are we taking it for granted that on balance, Christians have done more harm than good for people with homosexual inclinations? Are we assuming that in any conflicts, the homosexual was the innocent victim? Can we ignore all the cases in which troubled young people went to a priest for help in dealing with their sexual impulses, and received wise and prudent advice that helped them both spiritually and emotionally?
And if we apologize, will that apology be accepted? Or will it be taken as the basis for further demands by the gay-rights movement? The “early returns” on the Pope’s statement strongly suggest the latter.
Gay Catholic Groups Want Pope Francis to Do More Than Apologize, reported the New York Timers. One activist remarked, reasonably enough, that “a statement of remorse is only as good as the change in behavior that follows.” But another spelled out what that “change in behavior” would require: to “reform teachings and practices that refer to gay people as “objectively disordered and “intrinsically evil.”
Now notice, first, the intellectual dishonesty behind this statement. The Church refers to homosexual inclinations-- not individual people—as “disordered.” And no one is “intrinsically evil;” only actions merit that condemnation. But beyond that, the suggestion implies—no, it demands—a change in the teachings of the Church. The gay lobby will not be satisfied by a condemnation of any past abuses against homosexuals; their goal is to force a renunciation of Catholic doctrine. For more evidence of that intention, see here and here.
Secular activists are not acting alone in their drive to change Catholic teaching. Father James Martin, the popular Jesuit columnist, has launched a virtual crusade to treat the Pope’s statement as a new baseline, and work forward to greater Catholic acceptance of homosexuality. Bishop Robert McElroy of San Diego has suggested changing the “very destructive” language of the Catechism. Writing for Crux, Father Edward Beck chimes in with a plea for “updating of the Catholic Catechism” and a commitment to support for legal recognition of civil unions.
Among the most strident calls for change in Church teaching was a column by Robert Mickens for the National Catholic Reporter, in which he lashed out at priests who may have latent homosexual tendencies:
There is another category of "gay priests." They are men who are homosexually oriented but refuse to admit this even to themselves. In this way, they unwittingly inflict their own unacknowledged suffering and pathology on others by mercilessly preaching a rigid morality and insisting on a strict adherence to the letter of every ecclesiastical law. Here again we encounter some intellectual dishonesty. The injunction against sexual activity outside marriage is not merely an “ecclesiastical” law, invented by some repressed prelates; it is the law of God. But leave that aside, and leave aside the emotion-laden qualifiers like “mercilessly” and “rigid.” What message would Mickens ask Cathoilc priests to convey, in their preaching and their counseling? Certainly not the message of the Catechism; not the message of the Catholic tradition.
“God help us!” tweeted the South African Cardinal Wilfrid Napier, reflecting on the implications of an apology for Church teaching. “Next we’ll have to apologize for teaching that adultery is a sin!” Was he exaggerating? If we are to apologize for the Church’s teachings on the immorality of homosexual acts, what standing do we have to uphold the Catholic stance against heterosexual immorality—or any other sort of immorality, for that matter?
And what advice should a good priest give, if a young man or woman comes to him for help, recognizing homosexual impulses? Joseph Sciambra, who writes passionately about his own escape from the homosexual lifestyle, recalls that as he plummeted toward despair, he consulted a Catholic priest, who told him that he should stop worrying and accept himself as an active homosexual! That advice, Sciambra remarks, led him further down a dark road toward physical and spiritual death. And for that, he suggests, the Catholic Church really should apologize.
So what’s the Pope going to do when he realizes that no one is heeding his commandment?
And if we apologize, will that apology be accepted?This is the big one. As if there were some central authority (like a Pope) to accept on behalf of homosexuals.
It's just a ploy to get you to humiliate yourselves.
“hould apologize to homosexuals”
And, soon to be released, exorcism rites will be more contrite and appended with its own apologies.
What comes next will be polygamy.
That was not at all clear to me in the Pope's statement.
I don’t know what will come next, but it should be an apology to St. Thomas More and all the other martyrs.
What? Is this pope nuts?
Me neither.
His communication strategy is consistently -— well, I think the technical term is “argle-bargle”.
this fake pope Bergoglio is intentionally confusing in his statements. that gives him plausible deniability when the poop hits the fan. it’s his M.O. he wants confusion. he wants people to be misled. no real pope would ever be so vague and unclear on the important spiritual matters that this fake pope chooses to speak extemporaneously about.
If we apologize to homosexuals, then we must also apologize for the Bible. We must apologize for the obvious fact that the Bible condemns homosexuality. The homosexual Gestapo is like Winston in Big Brother, forcing us to say that up is down and black is white.
The Bible is but an empty shell without its wisdom and rules on sexuality—the very core of our being. Without the real Bible, we Christians become hollow shells as well. We become practicing atheists. Just as the progressive revolutionaries always wanted
Pandering idiot.
Apologizing to sinners for the Word of God.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
More than once, Francis has urged Catholics, both young and old, to “go and make a mess”.
I don’t think so. I think he’s just plain evil. He had a plan and he’s now carrying it out.
He needs many prayers.
Maybe Pope Frankie will find Nero’s descendants and apologize to them for the early Christians giving those Roman lions indigestion.
Is the Pope Catholic?
Can they allow the Lord to inspire them to a better gospel presentation, one that helps them minister help to people with the “legion” of things that can make leaving a mindset of this kind of evil so difficult?
I would tend to agree that a bunch of “I’m sorry’s” would be pointless without some grasp of a better direction in which to go. And with that grasp, they are probably unnecessary.
Anyhow, in any segment of Christendom, moves that say “we care about you as an entire person, because God moves us to” will have a lot more influence than a Johnny one note message. Fault Francis as you will, but Christians shouldn’t ignore where the Holy Spirit wants to go.
And if this makes no sense to you just skip it. I don’t want this to be about me. I want it to be about God.
It’s not my church.
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