Posted on 06/29/2016 2:32:25 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
quote-And for someone to call the Pope the AntiChrist is akin to conservatives calling Obama the AntiChrist. There was really no support for that viewpoint.
The Antichrist is going to come out of the 4th Beast/Kingdom of Daniel-
Scholars
1st-Babylon
2nd-Medes/Persia
3rd-Greece
4th-Rome
Anti- Strongs 473- instead of, in return for, over against, opposite, in exchange for, as a substitute for, (b) on my behalf, (c) wherefore, because.
I know I was never introduced to the meanings ‘instead of’ or ‘in exchange for’ or ‘as a substitute for’ for ANTI until I read it in a Concordance.
The word Anti that we use for Anti-Smoking or Anti-Choice, isn’t the only definition history and research shows for that word.
an ‘instead of’ Christ
an ‘in exchange for’ Christ
an ‘substitute for’ Christ
With that understanding of the word ‘Anti’ in a historical way, the 1st Reformers calling the Papacy the ‘seat of ‘instead of Christ’ or ‘in exchange for Christ’ or ‘a substitute for’ Christ doesn’t sound too far fetched at all.
and then add in they would have called the Pope Gregory calendar the ‘instead of Christ’,’in exchange for’ Christ, an ‘substitute for Christ’ calendar if it was around back then-
that seems to be an ‘us’ problem- not a ‘them’ problem.
And without Ezekiel 46:1, we wouldn’t know how Rome has changed times, to where people of faith can test and prove all things- especially something named after what the 1st Protestant Reformers called the ‘instead of Christ’ or ‘in exchange for’ Christ- if we accept some of the definitions of ‘Anti’ in the concordances I have seen.
Not too shabby for men without smart phones or computers.
Seems plain enough? Unless there is more than one "last day".
I urge you to read Rev 16:12-15 for the timing of the "thief in the night". It's plain enough, when read in it's context, San Jose merchants notwithstanding. It is perilous use cute analogies to explain away the plain, obvious reading of scripture, lest one be guilty of adding to or taking away from the words of prophecy.
Don't you find it odd that Matt 24 nor all of Revelation has no mention whatsoever of a pre-trib rapture? And every rapture passage that has timing cues has it at the end? (last trump, last day, immediately after, etc.)
>>It is perilous use cute analogies to explain away the plain, obvious reading of scripture, lest one be guilty of adding to or taking away from the words of prophecy.<<
No one was trying to be cute; just illustrative so I wouldn’t be quick to judge.
I would agree with those who say that the popes were antichrists (I John 2:18). But not THE antichrist referred to by Daniel.
Rome has a different set of 10 Commandments (so they have changed ‘laws’) and one bible verse shows how Rome has changed ‘times’.
Peple are believing there is going to be something coming out of the Roman empire that’s going to change what Rome has already changed.
Because people don’t realize Rome has changed times is why they are still waiting for something to happen. But the times have already changed- and Rome already has another 10 Commandments that they use.
They have check marks already next to Daniel 7:25.
Not some future time- but right now- And it isn’t at a tip of a sword- but willingly followed.
Rome changing time isn’t as easy to see as to how they changed ‘laws’ - but side by side next to the Commandments in the Word, it’s easy to see Rome has changed the order.
And it’s an interesting piece because in Revelation 13, that is exactly what is happening in the world-
the breaking of His Commandments-
-worship the beast- the breaking of the 1st Commandment
-worship the image- the breaking of the 2nd Commandment(this is the one Rome deletes or hides)
-blaspheme His name- the breaking of the 3rd Commandment
-mark of the beast on the forehead or hand-
Same place Israel was to bind His Commandments (Deuteronomy 6:8)
That is why also why the Patience of the Saints in the next chapter, Revelation 14:12, is ‘keeping the Commandments of God’ and faith of Jesus.
When antichrists change times, they change the way people are to worship the Creator.
And the angel warning in Revelation 14:7 is to worship Him who made heaven and earth and fountains of water confirms this.
Who gets the honor on Rome’s calendar? The false God Tiw today. Tomorrow it’s the false god Woden’s Day, then Thor gets his day, etc.
It’s why The Father numbered His days on His Calendar. (teach us to number our days so that we may attain a heart of wisdom- Psalm 90:12)
When the enemy changes times, the enemy ascends to the mount of congregation, desiring to be worshipped.
when the enemy changes laws, the enemy seeks to continue his lawlessness and perdition.
The enemy has already changed times and laws. And the enemy has used the Roman vessel to do it- Which is what Daniel predicts.
If there is going to be another thing out of the Roman empire that will change laws again, and have the world working and worshipping from another Roman calendar, then I would certainly pay attention to it-
But those things have already come to pass.
If today is Tiw’s day July 5th, which it is to most of the world, they won’t be able to see how times have changed. It hasn’t changed in our lifetimes but we are but a breath here.
Thankfully we have His Word to test and prove everything. And tomorrow is Wodens’ Day , July 6th on the Pope’s calendar-
Tomorrow is a different day in the Kingdom. And it’s a day, because Rome is a sun worshipping power, it ignores.
And that one day can unlock wisdom, knowledge and understanding, that could go so far as to say that Rome has not only changed times and laws, but has created another Jesus and another gospel because of them changing times.
It is a humbling journey, but a blessed one. And most are okay with Rome telling them when to work and worship.
The Creator and Redeemer has a completely different way that He taught Israel to work and worship. And it points to Him. Only He gets the glory!
And btw, Judaism doesn’t do it today, either. They, Muslims and Christians all give Rome the authority to tell them when to work to worship.
And every religion and every group can do what is right in their own eyes and have their own ‘days’.
That is power and authority that has not been given to Rome.
But she has taken and run with it.
She controls the premise that today is Tiw’s Day. and most accept that premise.
When one stops conforming to the world(Romans 12:2) and stops accepting that premise that Rome sells, our minds can be transformed by the renewing of our mind. And we can discern what is good, acceptable, and pefect will of God.
And it would change the way people read His Word from here on out and change the way people see this world-
With new eyes that only He gives.
delchiante,
Obviously, you’ve put in a lot of study into the shortcomings of Rome and the Catholic Church. But I am having trouble clearly understanding your premise. Do you think the institution of the Catholic Church is the AntiChrist?
I believe that apostate Catholicism will unite with apostate Protestantism to form a false church, sometimes referred to as Mystery Babylon. For the first half of the Tribulation the gentile AntiChrist will use it as a support system.
What you might be describing is “prepping the battlefield” or “setting the stage” for Mystery Babylon to eventually emerge after the pre-Tribulational rapture of the Church.
It’s good to see you taking these end times issues seriously and without casting insults at others.
You’re wrong
1. The Roman Empire was continuous from around 400 BC to 1453 AD
2. What we call the “byzantine empire” called itself and was called by outsiders as the Roman Empire. They called themselves Romans and were a continuation of the Empire
3. The ‘Holy Roman Empire’ was neither Roman, nor Holy nor an Empire but a gaggling confederation that died in 1806. It wasn’t a continuation of the Roman Empire.
4. Daniel spoke of the 4 empires of Babylonia (Gold, lion), Persia (Silver, bear), Macedonia (Bronze, Leopard) and Rome (Iron moving to Iron-mud) - the last was shattered by a stone, uncut by human hand that became a mountain that covered the entire world.
That uncunt stone was Jesus Christ and the mountain was/is Christianity since the 1st century.
the 42 months is the 3.5 years of the Jewish-Roman war that culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem, which was burned to the ground (the western wall is not the wall of the temple but of the embankment around it), and where the Christians ran to the mountain town of Pella to stay alive.
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