Francis is the Pope Until the Pope Says He’s Not

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | 23 June 2016 | Hillary White

[BlatherNaut]

As painful as it might be, the only legitimate conclusion for now is to acknowledge the seriousness of what is happening, to admit that things are in an apocalyptic state and to carry on presenting the Faith in opposition to what Francis and his friends are doing. We’re just soldiers and our task is not the same as that of the generals. It is to maintain the Faith ourselves, including living a full sacramental life, to intensify our dedication to prayer and penances and to have sure supernatural hope that, whatever is happening, God – who has not abandoned us – wants to sort it out for the best, and will do so.

In short, simply adhere to the Deposit of Faith. Disregard the perverse opinions of Francis, et al. Detour around the unholy stench arising from their swamp of delusion. When they open their foolish mouths, hit the "ignore" button. Whether ecclesial office holders are saints, or fools, or scoundrels or heretics is irrelevant to the Truth transmitted to us by Christ.

[BlatherNaut]

As painful as it might be, the only legitimate conclusion for now is to acknowledge the seriousness of what is happening, to admit that things are in an apocalyptic state and to carry on presenting the Faith in opposition to what Francis and his friends are doing. We’re just soldiers and our task is not the same as that of the generals. It is to maintain the Faith ourselves, including living a full sacramental life, to intensify our dedication to prayer and penances and to have sure supernatural hope that, whatever is happening, God – who has not abandoned us – wants to sort it out for the best, and will do so.

In short, simply adhere to the Deposit of Faith. Disregard the perverse opinions of Francis, et al. Detour around the unholy stench arising from their swamp of delusion. When they open their foolish mouths, hit the "ignore" button. Whether ecclesial office holders are saints, or fools, or scoundrels or heretics is irrelevant to the Truth transmitted to us by Christ.

[montag813]

How very "Christian" of you. Well, perhaps you aren't a Christian, so pardon my assumption. Christians usually don't HOPE for anyone's death. That's God's call.

Well that's fine, because Francis isn't Christian either

[Salvation]

Do people forget that Christ also said to love one’s enemies?

[independentmind]

Are you implying that Ganswein and /or Pope Benedict were blackmailed because of their own conduct?

I doubt that. Even if the proclivity was there, I doubt the behavior was.

[Jim Noble]

I’m not implying that.

I’m stating that, within six weeks of receiving a report about high-level homosexual misconduct infiltrating Vatican structures, Benedict resigned.

[utahagen]

“So I guess that ‘traditional Catholics’ believe that these men have NOT been popes.”

“Traditional” is an adjective that, when applied to Catholics, could mean even those who, say, enjoy guitar Masses, yet accept and believe all basic Catholic teachings. My point is just that sedevacantists represent a miniscule percentage of Catholics who could be described as “traditional” by any measure. They are dramatically fewer in number than, say, are the Hassidic Jews who are anti-Israel who march with Palistinians in anti-Israel parades.

[cloudmountain]

Well that's fine, because Francis isn't Christian either

And YOU have appointed yourself as Pope Francis' judge? Wow. You MUST consider yourself a god or something, being able to judge a person's soul and faith...especially of a man you don't know.
I prefer to let our good Lord judge him, me and you.

Seven deadly sins:

1. PRIDE (hubristic type)
2. ANGER (the inordinate kind)
3. greed
4. lust
5. malicious envy
6. gluttony
7. sloth
These, OF COURSE, were classified by the early CATHOLIC CHURCH.

There are also a number of sets of virtues, including:
The Seven Contrary Virtues which are specific opposites to the Seven Deadly Sins:
1. Humility against pride
2. Kindness against envy
3. Abstinence against gluttony
4. Chastity against lust
5. Patience against anger
6. Liberality against greed
7. Diligence against sloth.

In the Catholic catechism, the seven Christian virtues or heavenly virtues, refer to the union of two sets of virtues: the four cardinal virtues, from ancient Greek philosophy, are prudence, justice, temperance (meaning restriction or restraint), and courage (or fortitude); and the three theological virtues, from the letters of Saint Paul of Tarsus, are faith, hope, and charity (or love).
These were adopted by the Catholic Church Fathers as the seven virtues.

Pax vobis, fratrem.

[cloudmountain]

Do people forget that Christ also said to love one’s enemies?

Lol.
Yes, they do but ESPECIALLY from SOME FReepers here who hate, despise, loathe, detest, dislike, abhor, abominate, execrate, deplore and really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really DISLIKE Pope Francis....having NEVER met him, naturally, but still considering him an enemy, for some very odd reason.

I wuv my enemies...or is that enemas...

I'm on a roll today, ain't I? Harharhar.

[SGNA]

Novus Ordo Watch's rebuttal to this dangerous inanity:

Comedy Hour at The Remnant: “Francis is the Pope Until the Pope Says He’s Not”

Peek-a-boo! Is he or isn’t he?

HE IS NOT CATHOLIC, THEREFORE HE IS NOT THE POPE!

Excerpts from Novus Ordo Watch's rebuttal of Hillary White:

"While Miss White clearly does not mean to be a Francis apologist, she is one de facto, simply by defending his claim to being the Pope of the Catholic Church. It is this idea that gives him all the legitimacy he needs to destroy souls on a massive scale. It does not matter how much she may “resist” this or that from Francis — the fact alone that she proclaims from the housetops and tells others that this man is the head of the Catholic Church inflicts incalculable damage to souls wherever her voice reaches, because unlike the people at The Remnant, most people in the world, no matter their religion, still understand that if Francis is the Pope of the Catholic Church, then his religion is necessarily the Catholic religion — fancy blog posts from journalists and slyly-argued articles from retired lawyers notwithstanding. All those who vociferously defend Francis’ claim to the Papacy in public ought to be aware that, regardless of their intentions, they will one day have to answer for the damage they have caused in all the souls their writings have reached."

"There is only one way to defeat Francis: You must proclaim from the housetops that he is not the Pope of the Catholic Church. If enough people do it, he is effectively deprived of that which alone gives him all his putative authority: the public’s belief that this man holds the highest office in the Catholic Church. Take that away from him, and he is finished. In the real Catholic Church, Jorge Bergoglio would not even be in a charge of a broom closet. It is time people realized that."

[piusv]

Let’s not make the mistake of mixing up judging souls and judging words and actions. The evidence is overwhelming that Francis is not Catholic. It’s just that some think they can’t say it when it is as plain as the noses on their faces. Some are in complete denial. And still others are just blind...sometimes willingly.

With respect to his soul? He isn’t dead yet, so he still has time to repent and actually believe and teach the Catholic Faith and save his soul. Something he clearly has an issue with up until now.

[SGNA]

From Novus Ordo Watch’s rebuttal of this:

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White mentions that there are sedevacantists who “demand” that she agree with them, else she is not a Catholic. Can a sedevacantist do that? Does this not require the very “authority” we have just said we don’t have?
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Binding someone else’s conscience does indeed require ecclesiastical authority, something no sedevacantist has. If any sedevacantist were to pretend that he has the right of himself to bind someone else’s conscience, he would be mistaken and act unjustly. In other words, no sedevacantist could say, “You must be a sedevacantist because I say so.” This would clearly be impermissible. But then again, is anyone doing this? If so, he is wrong.

But this is probably not what is actually happening. Rather, most probably, people are simply pointing out to Hilary White and her coreligionists that given the empirical facts about Francis, Sedevacantism is the only conclusion that does not run into conflict with Catholic teaching. It is thus the only conclusion that is possible, and hence it is also necessary. It is for this reason that others must embrace it — not because we sedevacantists say so, as though we had any authority to bind consciences, but because according to Catholic teaching no other conclusion is possible; and since we have an obligation to adhere to Catholic teaching, we thus also have an obligation to embrace Sedevacantism. In short, the necessity for Hilary White and everyone else to be sedevacantist does not arise from sedevacantists’ say-so, it arises from the fact that all are obliged by Catholic teaching and the manifest empirical facts to arrive at this conclusion.

This, then, has nothing to do with hubris. It is simply akin to explaining to someone that if he understands what “1” means, what “2” means, what “equal” means, and what “plus” means, then he must conclude, necessarily, that 1+1=2. Or, to use our earlier example, if Jack is a bachelor and all bachelors are unmarried, then we must conclude necessarily that Jack is unmarried. No other conclusion is permitted or possible, and we cannot hide behind the copout that we “don’t have the authority” to say that Jack is unmarried. Welcome to the authority of reason.

[Arthur McGowan]

That would simply be cowardice.

I.e., a situation arises to which the Pope reacts with fear, and he runs away. If nobody set out deliberately to frighten the Pope, his resignation would be valid.

If someone DID set out to INFLICT fear on the Pope, making threats, etc., then the resignation would be invalid.

[Arthur McGowan]

By examination of the documents, of course.

[Arthur McGowan]

Sentimental glop.

There is no reason that Christians cannot hope, and PRAY, for the death of an evildoer in high office. They’ve been doing it for 2,000 years, and the Jews have been doing it longer than that.

What is generally the prerogative of God alone is the KILLING of evildoers in high office.