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Adam Lived to Be 900? Maybe, but Our Shorter Life Spans Tell Us More Than We Might Like to Admit
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 06-09-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/10/2016 7:06:28 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Zionist Conspirator
You, and others of your mindset, take great pains to attack the Church. I cannot prove that the patriarchs actually lived that long is a throw-away comment about secular proof which demands empirical evidence. Just saying, "the Bible says so" doesn't work for those who don't yet have faith. This article is written for those who believe and for those who are questioning the science of the Bible's word on lifespans in their journey to faith. To nitpick on such rhetorical non-issues says more about you than the Church.

G-d's assertion that something happened isn't good enough for Catholics.

You left the Church because you weren't well taught. Now, you think you can speak for all Catholics from your limited experience. It's nothing more than sowing seeds of discord.

21 posted on 06/10/2016 7:59:47 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pepsionice

The Old Testament was written during the exile away from Israel.


22 posted on 06/10/2016 8:02:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Funny thread...space age man trying to justify bronze age man’s limited thinking.


23 posted on 06/10/2016 8:02:42 AM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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To: Boogieman

You’re on to something there. The Son is a “stumbling stone” for unbelievers, but that is God’s doing, since it was HE who “laid a stone in Zion”. The petulant Western mind is unbelief towards God and that WILL NEVER WORK. He opposes the proud (we’re all proud, but I’m talking about a mindset).

Scripture is not scientific as if we can figure God out. Contradictions are a facet of the stumbling stone, IMO. Faith clears up a lot, because trust in the goodness and steadfast love of God settles us in being unsettled.


24 posted on 06/10/2016 8:03:01 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Salvation

I have always been of the opinion that the diminishing lifespans were related to both the flood and the degenerative effects of sin. In fact, those effects of sin would probably also be the reason that initially brothers and sisters would have had to marry each other, and yet later incest was forbidden.


25 posted on 06/10/2016 8:05:35 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: Salvation
The ancients were keen observers of the Sun, the Moon, and the stars.

We are still discovering, as additional texts are found and deciphered, the extent of the astronomical knowledge and sophistication of the Maya, whose civilization rose in the 700 B.C. time frame and flourished in various forms until the 1500s.

26 posted on 06/10/2016 8:10:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place whose inhabitation always ends in death."~Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: avenir

“Contradictions are a facet of the stumbling stone, IMO.”

I don’t think there are any contradictions in the Bible, only contradictions produced by man’s faulty interpretation of the Bible.


27 posted on 06/10/2016 8:11:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Salvation

Those patriarchs who followed God’s pre-Flood prescription for vegetarianism (which He rescinded in Gen. 9:3) were enabling themselves to live long lives, by avoiding toxic buildup of metals in their bodies from meat-eating. When God determined to shorten human lifespans, He used a nearby supernova to bathe the earth is cosmic rays, thus forever shortening our lifespans to the current maximum of 120 years, per Genesis 6:3.


28 posted on 06/10/2016 8:15:17 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Boogieman

I agree. They are “apparent” contradictions, as seen by the unbelieving. I don’t see them as contradictions in that sense. My point is that unbelievers stumble over them, and the only answer to them is faith in Christ.


29 posted on 06/10/2016 8:18:57 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Salvation
inbreeding?


30 posted on 06/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: HangUpNow

Nice. I actually have that one on my bookshelf. I met the guy who runs the Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum who really has dug into that research.


31 posted on 06/10/2016 8:36:52 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Salvation

The Earth’s rotation and orbital speed were slowed by near misses with other planetary bodies, making the years longer and the lives shorter? (Worlds in Collision, Velikovsky, 1950)


32 posted on 06/10/2016 8:41:13 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Salvation

Actually, yes. The wages of sin are death, but that doesn’t mean an easy death. The son of Abraham (175), Isaac (185), became blind at some point, and was tricked into giving his blessing to Jacob (147), instead of Esau (murdered shortly after Jacob died). His murderer was Hushim, the son of Dan, son of Jacob, who was hard of hearing.

So blindness (and being crippled from angel wrestling) followed by bad hearing in just three generations.


33 posted on 06/10/2016 8:44:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Salvation
Could God choose to keep someone alive for 900+ year or forever for that matter? sure.

Do I believe that he did so as stated in the bible? not really. I believe some sort of mathematical error occurred somewhere and most of those ages are off by a a factor of 10.

So 900 = 90.

Or we are talking about a family name that was passed down from generation to generation for 900 years to the eldest son, or something of that nature.

34 posted on 06/10/2016 8:46:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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To: Salvation

The harder you try to live without God, the shorter your life?


35 posted on 06/10/2016 8:47:25 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Personal anecdote: the point at which I left the Catholic Church was when a seminarian told me he couldn't prove a man named Noah ever existed, but neither could he prove he didn't. I walked away that minute after six years of cognitive dissonance.

He's actually correct. What proof do we have, other than The Bible, that Noah existed? And other than belief in the inerrancy of the Bible, how does that book prove that Noah existed any more than the Hindu vedas prove the existence of the invulnerable king Ravana?

Belief and faith do not require proof, and much of what we believe simply cannot be proven (which, inherently means, having evidence that cannot be disputed and would change the mind of a skeptic). It just is.

Sounds like the seminarian was being brutally honest, which is really a very important step towards full faith and belief, IMHO. It's a willingness to put trust in that which cannot be proven, that which cannot be shown to be 100% real. It is the admitting of real faith - faith that does not need concrete, irrefutable facts for its existence.

36 posted on 06/10/2016 8:47:35 AM PDT by Shanghai Dan
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To: HangUpNow

If that explanation were true we would be finding the skeletons of pre flood humans that are super old.

That is not the case. Just the opposite is true. Ancient skeletons are almost always fairly young which indicates a short life span.


37 posted on 06/10/2016 8:48:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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To: Diapason
Many consider that the 120 years refers to the amount of time which would elapse before the start of the flood.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but I could see how that interpretation could be derived from the passage.

38 posted on 06/10/2016 8:52:21 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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To: wbarmy
Got that one, eh? The "canopy" theory in the book made me think you might have. The chapter on the Great Flood was an eye-opener.

Great stuff. That Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum is one museum I'd love to visit. Give that brother who runs it a high five for me.

Blows peoples minds how human footprints could be co-mingled with dinosaurs. They think it's a scam. A mental block won't allow them to comprehend beyond what we've all been taught of "Scientific Dating," fossil "Ages," and "millions of years ago."

39 posted on 06/10/2016 8:55:29 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: Shanghai Dan
What proof do we have, other than The Bible, that Noah existed?

Being a chrstian (I assume), naturally you don't understand my point.

It isn't about "faith" at all. We KNOW the Torah is from G-d because of the revelation at Sinai, which is self-verifying--no "faith" involved. Once it is established that the Torah is from Heaven, we can then accept all its assertions as true and accurate on any subject whatsoever.

You are assuming that one accepts the Bible "on faith" or on its own authority. This would indeed be a logical fallacy, as all books that claim divine inspiration would then be equally acceptable. Once we accept G-d's external authorization of the Torah, we then on His authority know that all its assertions about historical events not only constitute "proof," but surety, that they actually happened.

Of course, if you're a Catholic it's all a big Aesop's fable anyway. Priests even pray at mass for G-d to accept their "sacrifice" as He accepted those of Abel and Malki-Tzedeq--whom they don't even believe existed. This is called a tefillat-shav' and is actually a great sin.

40 posted on 06/10/2016 8:58:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (HaShem first! Anything else is idolatry, a violation of the very first commandment!)
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