Posted on 06/10/2016 7:06:28 AM PDT by Salvation
G-d's assertion that something happened isn't good enough for Catholics.
You left the Church because you weren't well taught. Now, you think you can speak for all Catholics from your limited experience. It's nothing more than sowing seeds of discord.
The Old Testament was written during the exile away from Israel.
Funny thread...space age man trying to justify bronze age man’s limited thinking.
You’re on to something there. The Son is a “stumbling stone” for unbelievers, but that is God’s doing, since it was HE who “laid a stone in Zion”. The petulant Western mind is unbelief towards God and that WILL NEVER WORK. He opposes the proud (we’re all proud, but I’m talking about a mindset).
Scripture is not scientific as if we can figure God out. Contradictions are a facet of the stumbling stone, IMO. Faith clears up a lot, because trust in the goodness and steadfast love of God settles us in being unsettled.
I have always been of the opinion that the diminishing lifespans were related to both the flood and the degenerative effects of sin. In fact, those effects of sin would probably also be the reason that initially brothers and sisters would have had to marry each other, and yet later incest was forbidden.
We are still discovering, as additional texts are found and deciphered, the extent of the astronomical knowledge and sophistication of the Maya, whose civilization rose in the 700 B.C. time frame and flourished in various forms until the 1500s.
“Contradictions are a facet of the stumbling stone, IMO.”
I don’t think there are any contradictions in the Bible, only contradictions produced by man’s faulty interpretation of the Bible.
Those patriarchs who followed God’s pre-Flood prescription for vegetarianism (which He rescinded in Gen. 9:3) were enabling themselves to live long lives, by avoiding toxic buildup of metals in their bodies from meat-eating. When God determined to shorten human lifespans, He used a nearby supernova to bathe the earth is cosmic rays, thus forever shortening our lifespans to the current maximum of 120 years, per Genesis 6:3.
I agree. They are “apparent” contradictions, as seen by the unbelieving. I don’t see them as contradictions in that sense. My point is that unbelievers stumble over them, and the only answer to them is faith in Christ.
Nice. I actually have that one on my bookshelf. I met the guy who runs the Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum who really has dug into that research.
The Earth’s rotation and orbital speed were slowed by near misses with other planetary bodies, making the years longer and the lives shorter? (Worlds in Collision, Velikovsky, 1950)
Actually, yes. The wages of sin are death, but that doesn’t mean an easy death. The son of Abraham (175), Isaac (185), became blind at some point, and was tricked into giving his blessing to Jacob (147), instead of Esau (murdered shortly after Jacob died). His murderer was Hushim, the son of Dan, son of Jacob, who was hard of hearing.
So blindness (and being crippled from angel wrestling) followed by bad hearing in just three generations.
Do I believe that he did so as stated in the bible? not really. I believe some sort of mathematical error occurred somewhere and most of those ages are off by a a factor of 10.
So 900 = 90.
Or we are talking about a family name that was passed down from generation to generation for 900 years to the eldest son, or something of that nature.
The harder you try to live without God, the shorter your life?
He's actually correct. What proof do we have, other than The Bible, that Noah existed? And other than belief in the inerrancy of the Bible, how does that book prove that Noah existed any more than the Hindu vedas prove the existence of the invulnerable king Ravana?
Belief and faith do not require proof, and much of what we believe simply cannot be proven (which, inherently means, having evidence that cannot be disputed and would change the mind of a skeptic). It just is.
Sounds like the seminarian was being brutally honest, which is really a very important step towards full faith and belief, IMHO. It's a willingness to put trust in that which cannot be proven, that which cannot be shown to be 100% real. It is the admitting of real faith - faith that does not need concrete, irrefutable facts for its existence.
If that explanation were true we would be finding the skeletons of pre flood humans that are super old.
That is not the case. Just the opposite is true. Ancient skeletons are almost always fairly young which indicates a short life span.
Hmmm... I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but I could see how that interpretation could be derived from the passage.
Great stuff. That Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum is one museum I'd love to visit. Give that brother who runs it a high five for me.
Blows peoples minds how human footprints could be co-mingled with dinosaurs. They think it's a scam. A mental block won't allow them to comprehend beyond what we've all been taught of "Scientific Dating," fossil "Ages," and "millions of years ago."
Being a chrstian (I assume), naturally you don't understand my point.
It isn't about "faith" at all. We KNOW the Torah is from G-d because of the revelation at Sinai, which is self-verifying--no "faith" involved. Once it is established that the Torah is from Heaven, we can then accept all its assertions as true and accurate on any subject whatsoever.
You are assuming that one accepts the Bible "on faith" or on its own authority. This would indeed be a logical fallacy, as all books that claim divine inspiration would then be equally acceptable. Once we accept G-d's external authorization of the Torah, we then on His authority know that all its assertions about historical events not only constitute "proof," but surety, that they actually happened.
Of course, if you're a Catholic it's all a big Aesop's fable anyway. Priests even pray at mass for G-d to accept their "sacrifice" as He accepted those of Abel and Malki-Tzedeq--whom they don't even believe existed. This is called a tefillat-shav' and is actually a great sin.
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