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Did the Roman Catholic Church work to create socialism in the United States?
Renew America ^ | June 6, 2016 | Marita Vargas

Posted on 06/06/2016 5:24:02 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Arthur McGowan

You are plucking words out thin air and attributing them to me.

I never mentioned “dogma”, nor did I mention “heresy”.


61 posted on 06/07/2016 7:33:19 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The reason this teaching is unimportant is that it is of no avail to anyone to know it or believe it.

Really?

Pope Sixtus V taught in a 1588 Constitution that victims of abortion, being deprived of Baptism, are "excluded from Beatific Vision," which is one of the reasons Sixtus V denounced abortion as a heinous crime.

62 posted on 06/07/2016 7:53:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone

It is and thank you for posting these Scriptures.

I have a quick story I’d like to share. When my sister and I were teenagers she always said I would have 3 “mean” little boys. Later I got married had to boys, then I had a miscarriage, then I had a girl. When we found out our last one was a girl, she was the first one I called so I could rub it in that she was wrong.

Unfortunately my sister died a little over a year ago way too soon. To say I’ve had a hard time with it would be an understatement. I was laying in bed one night, thinking of her, and all of a sudden, this image appeared in my mind of my sister in Heaven, with a boy, smiling at me and that smile said, “I told you so!” I almost lol!

I’ve always believed my baby was in Heaven. I don’t know if that puts me in trouble with the Church as a Catholic, but I believe it because I know God is merciful.


63 posted on 06/07/2016 7:55:17 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

To deal with the grief:

Go on a Beginning Experience weekend. You will never regret it.

http://www.beginningexperience.org/php5/index.html


64 posted on 06/07/2016 7:58:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The teaching does not affect anyone who has been baptized or anyone who has reached the use of reason. I.e., the only people who will go to Limbo, if it exists, are people who have not been baptized AND who have never reached the use of reason.

Does it not affect mothers, who are baptized and have reached the age of reason, who are contemplating murdering their babies before they are born and baptized?

65 posted on 06/07/2016 8:00:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Salvation

Thank you


66 posted on 06/07/2016 8:08:34 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Engedi

I meant to say: “It gave Bernardin exactly the weapon he needed to help Catholics rationalize voting for pro-abortion politicians.”


67 posted on 06/07/2016 8:11:09 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide
Does it not affect mothers, who are baptized and have reached the age of reason, who are contemplating murdering their babies before they are born and baptized?

Baptism is not what saves you. That is one of the errors of catholicism.

So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened. Acts 9:17-19

Faith in Christ is what saves; baptism is the outward expression of an inward conversion to Christ.

68 posted on 06/07/2016 8:12:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Are you baptized? Have you had your children baptized?


69 posted on 06/07/2016 8:14:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

How many women who are so wicked and weak as to murder their babies are sitting around pondering the theory of Limbo?

The Catholic Church teaches that we may hope that at least some of those who, before they attain the use of reason, die unbaptized may be saved.

If, in fact, some or all of them cannot be saved, the theory of Limbo is perfectly reasonable.

The notion—propounded elsewhere on this thread—that David entertained a fully-developed Christian eschatology, and that this doctrine is to be found in the Scriptures about David, is preposterous.


70 posted on 06/07/2016 8:20:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide
Are you baptized? Have you had your children baptized?

I was baptized after following Christ in the 5th grade.

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. john 5:24

There is not a requirement of baptism for salvation.

I believe His promises in John 5:24....do you?

71 posted on 06/07/2016 8:21:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan
The notion—propounded elsewhere on this thread—that David entertained a fully-developed Christian eschatology, and that this doctrine is to be found in the Scriptures about David, is preposterous.

To be clear no one said it was a Christian eschatology.

What is your take on the passage in 2 Samuel?

72 posted on 06/07/2016 8:23:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
John 3:5: Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

I see that you are one of those protestant cherry-pickers.

73 posted on 06/07/2016 8:29:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone

David says he prayed that his son might not die, and he stopped praying for this once his son died. I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that David or the author of the history was referring in any way to the afterlife or the soul of the dead child.


74 posted on 06/07/2016 8:35:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
How many women who are so wicked and weak as to murder their babies are sitting around pondering the theory of Limbo?

Probablly not as many as before Ratzinger dished Limbo.

P.S. Any mothers who murder their babies are wicked.

75 posted on 06/07/2016 8:36:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone
I was baptized after following Christ in the 5th grade.

Was He a year ahead of you? Did you follow Him in 6th grade also?

76 posted on 06/07/2016 8:44:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Cornelius was saved prior to baptism.


77 posted on 06/07/2016 8:44:03 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

BTW....you’ve yet to affirm if you believe or disbelieve His promise in John 5:24.


78 posted on 06/07/2016 8:45:28 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; Elsie

Your better to leave the humor to elsie. It doesn’t work with you.


79 posted on 06/07/2016 8:46:11 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; Elsie

Apostates come and go. Talk amongst yourselves.


80 posted on 06/07/2016 8:48:54 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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