Did the Roman Catholic Church work to create socialism in the United States?

Renew America ^ | June 6, 2016 | Marita Vargas

[who_would_fardels_bear]

If some Catholics have their own opinions (and this is certainly the case especially with regard to abortion and contraception) then that is an idea they got from the Enlightenment rather than the Catholic Church.

Also, if some Catholics are making statements that suggest that Francis is not behaving as a pope should or may not be the pope, they are doing so with great trepidation.

No Catholic would wish to live in a time when the pope seems to be sending out ambiguous and contradictory messages. Catholicism was relatively fortunate, at least with regard to theology with Popes John Paul II and Benedict. You knew where they stood and where they stood was clearly on the side of tradition (except for those really conservative, maybe heretical, "catholics" who believe all attempts at ecumenism are wrongheaded.)

Americans are individualists. Even some of the most orthodox Catholics come to Catholicism because they as individuals freely choose to believe its tenets. Even if they happen to be right, they may come to belief with the wrong attitude, i.e. a spirit of individualism rather than submission to God's will.

So yes you will find scores of Catholics believing a range of different and contradictory things (cafeteria style catholicism anyone?) but this is something they picked up from their Protestant brethren and not something that came from the Church itself.

[piusv]

Two conciliar popes doing what they do best: destroying the Catholic Faith and Catholic Tradition.

Limbo was the universal common teaching of the Church and is found in the Baltimore Catechism.

[ebb tide]

I’m assuming since he/she was not baptized not in a good place.

I believe your assumption to be wrong.

St. Thomas held this absence of subjective suffering to be compatible with a consciousness of objective loss or privation, the resignation of such souls to the ways of God's providence being so perfect that a knowledge of what they had lost through no fault of their own does not interfere with the full enjoyment of the natural goods they possess. Afterwards, however, he adopted the much simpler psychological explanation which denies that these souls have any knowledge of the supernatural destiny they have missed, this knowledge being itself supernatural, and as such not included in what is naturally due to the separated soul (De Malo loc. cit.). It should be added that in St. Thomas' view the limbus infantium is not a mere negative state of immunity from suffering and sorrow, but a state of positive happiness in which the soul is united to God by a knowledge and love of him proportionate to nature's capacity.

[Lil Flower]

Thank you for the commentary from St Thomas.

[Zionist Conspirator]

"He stated he was opposed to both capitalism and Communism"

Coughlin might have been a Distributist like Chesterton and Belloc.

Since Coughlin advocated nationalizing whole industries, I doubt he was a distributist.

[Arthur McGowan]

Limbo is a reasonable theory, but never defined dogma.

[Arthur McGowan]

Anyone who asserts that Limbo is a teaching that can never be altered is asserting that it is defined dogma.

[piusv]

Sounds to me that Limbo was much more than “just a theory”:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e012rp_Limbo24Reasons.html

[ebb tide]

Thanks for the link. Good article. Hopefully others will read it.

[ebb tide]

Limbo to be Cast into the Outer Darkness?

Pope Pius VI’s famous Apostolic Constitution Auctorem fidei, which condemned the Errors of the Synod of Pistoia, denounced the rejection of Limbo as “false, rash, slanderous to Catholic schools.”

[ebb tide]

The theologian Father Joseph Le Blanc, in his 1947 article “Children’s Limbo, Theory or Doctrine?”, summarized two central points taught in this Papal constitution: “

(1) There exists a Children’s Limbo, where the souls of children dying with original sin are detained; (2) the doctrine of Limbo as commonly accepted by the faithful, and taught by the schoolmen, is not a Pelagian fable, but an orthodox teaching.”3

It is de fide — an unchangeable article of Faith — that souls who depart this life in the state of original sin are excluded from the Beatific vision.4 The Second Council of Lyons (1274) and the Council of Florence (1438-45) taught infallibly: “The souls of those who die in original sin as well as those who die in actual mortal sin go immediately into hell, but their punishment is very different.”

Note the keyword: "detained". Moses and Abraham were also detained in the Limbo of the Fathers until Christ's death. Or do you deny that Limbo also?

[Engedi]

Yes she knows that- but its more important to her that she not vote for a republican because they believe in capital punishment.

[Salvation]

She needs to check out Eclisiastes 3:1-8.

Ecclesiastes

Chapter 3

3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

[Salvation]

Is your wife glad that her mother didn’t have an abortion?

She also needs to remember that while we are alive, Christ is perfect mercy.

At the moment of our death Christ turns into perfect justice.

Will she be able to answer for voting for babies to be killed?

[ealgeone]

You might want to read post 30. Mcgowan identifies as a catholic priest and ebb tide a catholic. Looks like a little disagreement on catholic beliefs.

[ealgeone]

And let's not forget those who believe the declaration that, "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Unam Sanctum) and those Catholics who hold that the present occupant of the papal see is not truly pope and that, for lack of a valid pope, the see has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958?

Good thing we have this from the Word to clear up the false catholic dogma:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24

No mention of the requirement to be subject to the pope for salvation!

[ealgeone]

I, as a Catholic, would like to know where you think the baby I miscarried is right now?

I’m assuming since he/she was not baptized not in a good place.

I offer this from David's affair with Bathsheba. I hope these words will offer you some comfort.:

21Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ 23“But now he has died; why should I fast?

Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” 2 Samuel 12:21-23

There is more at this website on this topic.

http://www.gotquestions.org/aborted-babies-heaven.html

We do serve a just and merciful God.

I pray your soul is comforted by this.

[Arthur McGowan]

The reason this teaching is unimportant is that it is of no avail to anyone to know it or believe it.

The teaching does not affect anyone who has been baptized or anyone who has reached the use of reason. I.e., the only people who will go to Limbo, if it exists, are people who have not been baptized AND who have never reached the use of reason.

There is no such thing as a TEACHING which is addressed only to people who cannot understand it.

[Arthur McGowan]

“False,” “rash,” and “slanderous to Catholic schools” are not synonyms for “heresy.”

[ebb tide]

The reason this teaching is unimportant is that it is of no avail to anyone to know it or believe it.

That's pure B.S. It's been important teaching in the Catholic Church for almost two centuries. How many thousands of mothers, Catholic or not, think their aborted babies that they kill go straight to Heaven?

Both you and Ratzinger are doing a grave disservice to the unborn. I'm sure many babies would not have been aborted, if you and Ratzinger did not dismiss Limbo.

Do you also deny Limbo of the Fathers?

For a Catholic priest to say "this teaching is unimportant" and of "no avail to anyone to know it or believe it" is really disappointing and it's also a denial that baptism is necessary to obtain Salvation. However, Francis and Eugenio Scalfari should be proud of you.