Posted on 05/27/2016 3:58:05 PM PDT by ebb tide
"Tame the heretics"?? What do you suggest: burning the women who were considered witches? Salem redux?
People have FREE WILL. Why must their free will be stifled? Folks can speak with them, in a loving way, but, in the end, the choice is THEIRS, good or bad.
Are you suggesting that the role of the Pope (from the Latin for "father") be to "tame the heretics"? Would Jesus do that?
True, true, true!
I give to Catholic charities because I know that 95% of the money goes to the people it's supposed to help. Nuns, brothers, friars, etc., work for the love of God and draw no salaries like lay people do. Priests do get a salary but it's not like they get "Silicon Valley" wages. They are given room and board, but that isn't the same as a salary.
Nuns take vows of poverty; priests don't. Priests rarely live ostentatiously, unless they are bishops and cardinals...and even then, like Pope Frances, MAY "take the bus to work" if they choose.
Other charities, like the Red Cross, veterans groups, etc., for example, have to PAY salaries to the folks who work there, which is fair. They don't do it for free, so only 5% of the money goes to the people who need it.
Those are just the nature of the charities.
Do you believe that religious liberty is a human right? Do you believe that ecumenism is Catholic?
If you answer yes to these questions, Vatican II most certainly affected you personally.
The word conjugal comes from the Latin word, conjux, meaning "husband, wife."
A man and a man or a woman and a woman cannot possibly fulfill the meaning of that word.
I do but then I was born and bred an American and we believe in that.
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Do you believe that ecumenism is Catholic?
From GOOGLE: Ecumenism refers to efforts by Christians of different church traditions to develop closer relationships and better understandings. It is also often used about efforts towards the visible and organic unity of different Christian churches in some form.
If you answer yes to these questions, Vatican II most certainly affected you personally.
Ecumenism only works if Catholic dogma is not compromised. There isn't a whole lot of dogma as much is tradition.
Go to CATHOLIC ANSWERS for details.
Homosexual unions: EVIL.
I REFUSE to use the worD "marriage" with them because it is an IMPOSSIBILITY!
People have free will but there are consequences to choices usually. I would think the Pope would want a consistent message. He can excommunicate and defrock. It seems like a funny way to run a church (everybody designed their own Gospel).
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1. Oh yes, there are consequences. I learned that when I was three years old.
2. He does have a consistent message: love God and love each other, which was the "greatest commandment" that Jesus gave us.
The pope isn't a RULER. He is the earthly "father" or "vicar" who continues to lead his flock. His word is gold ONLY when it comes to morality.
3. He can but there is a trial first. It's not a simple or easy trial either. It's a MOST serious event and not lightly taken. The priest in question has had to REPEATEDLY PREACHED heresy.
AND, the "Devil's Advocate" position is STILL around, even after all these centuries.
4. The Pope doesn't not interpret the words of Jesus. The Church did way back when and did it with the help of all the bishops on the planet. There were eventually TOO MANY bishops so CARDINALS were selected from the bishops.
The "new" laws, speeding, drugs, etc., are "new" sins, on the face, but...they are OLD ones, aren't they? The Pope might declare speeding and drugs as sins, but he wouldn't do that on his own. The "sin" has to come from the PLETHORA of cardinals, bishops and priests from throughout the world. It wouldn't be a shocker to ANY of us, either, as we know that breaking the law is wrong, even if we disagree with it.
The Church has preached from the same Bible, which they collated, by the way, for the last 2000 years. It's more than that, of course, because the Old Testament is EONS older.
The Protestant Bible IS slightly different. My Baptist-turned-Presbyterian friend in Texas and I compared Bibles once. There are some books in her newer version of the Bible that the older Catholic Bible has or doesn't have. I HAVE forgotten which was which.
I never go to “Catholic Answers” for Catholic answers. It is the last place I will go if I want the truth about Vatican II.
“I REFUSE to use the worD “marriage” with them because it is an IMPOSSIBILITY!”
I like to call it “sodomite play-pretend marriage.”
Just curious, has Vatican II made an impact on your life?
If yes, how?
If no, then WHO CARES?
THAT is actually a VERY accurate description of it.
Good on you!
I "googled" him and wasn't impressed. Why should I care about him now?
Because he's the sole "senior" apologist at Catholic Answers, which you had earlier recommended as a resource.
So, I believed in religious liberty, I believed in false ecumenism, etc, etc. In other words it led me to believe in false things. In my ignorance, I did not believe in the Catholic Faith because the Catholic Faith has never taught religious liberty is a human right. The Catholic Faith never taught ecumenism. The Catholic Faith never taught that other churches are means of salvation. And so on and son.....
Vatican II has negatively impacted every Catholic. Some are aware of it and others are not.
Religious orders generally are self-funding, or they don't exist. They don't get some regular paycheck from Rome, or from their local bishop. Most of them run farms, make an sell some sort of craft, etc.
Jesus said LOVE GOD AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Where in the Bible is religious liberty spoken of as a right?
Isn't ecumenism all about learning to love one another? The very word "church" comes from the Greek "assembly," that is, coming together.
I can't think of how Vatican II negatively impacted me. I can't think how it impacted me at all. The Mass is the same celebration of God's love for us. The readings in the Gospels are the same. The homilies are the same: love God and love each other.
Nothing has changed in Catholic dogma. Of course, it can't. "Religious freedom" isn't a dogma of any faith that I know of.
Which one of the plethora of Protestant denominations do you belong to now? Also, does that denomination preach that religious liberty is a right? It would be interesting to know that bit of information. I didn't think that any faith, "old time religion" preached that.
No sarcasm intended anywhere, at all.
Pope Saint Pius V, born Antonio Ghislieri, was Pope from 8 January 1566 to his death in 1572. He is venerated as a saint of the Roman Catholic Church. Wikipedia
Born: January 17, 1504, Bosco Marengo, Italy
Died: May 1, 1572, Rome, Italy Ordination: 1528
redecessor: Pope Pius IV
Parents: Paolo Ghislieri, Domenica Augeria
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