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Presbyterian Pastor: “I Love Planned Parenthood.” Calls Abortion Business a “Ministry"
lifenews.com ^ | April 24, 2016 | Carole Novielli

Posted on 04/24/2016 6:25:24 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Hieronymus

Prince was Jehovah’s Witnesses. It was said that back in the 1980’s when he was at the peak of his fame he still went “door to door” telling people about that religion with other church members when he could.


21 posted on 04/24/2016 7:05:54 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

UH-oh!

Avoid this church and pastor.


22 posted on 04/24/2016 7:11:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I’m a Baptist, but you painted Presbyterians with an overly broad brush. It’s important to use precise language here to avoid maligning authentic believers. Yes, the particular Presbyterian denomination this “minister” is part of—Presbyterian Church USA—is liberal and apostate, but there are a number of faithful and very conservative Presbyterian denominations. Presbyterianism refers not to doctrine or beliefs, but church structure or organization.


23 posted on 04/24/2016 7:15:38 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Morgana

Did he go door to door in/with a Little Red Corvette? This brings out a side I didn’t know JW’s had.


24 posted on 04/24/2016 7:16:59 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

Yea I know but it’s what I heard in the 80’s. The way he was dressed you would not have known it was him. He and Michael Jackson were both into that, well their families were anyway. Later before his death Jackson converted to Islam.


25 posted on 04/24/2016 7:20:30 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: .45 Long Colt; Gamecock; GeronL; Elsie; Tennessee Nana
I am a Catholic and ought not to comment, lest motives be misunderstood.

If Alex Murphy were still here, I would ping him to deal with this. Regrettably, he is no longer here. I miss him. I am sure that I am overlooking many fine Christian folks but perhaps you fine Christian folks can comment on PCUSA and this pastor who is owned by Planned Barrenhood. If you have Reformed ping lists, please ping them.

When "Catholic" priests misbehave, I am not bashful. I trust you folks not to be bashful either.

26 posted on 04/24/2016 7:48:50 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Sorry, was referring to the Presbyterian Church USA. People are fleeing the denomination & was one of them in 2000.


27 posted on 04/24/2016 8:12:15 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: BlackElk

Well, the pastor here is a lost man, a wicked false teacher, a man who, believing himself wise, has become a fool (Romans 1). If he doesn’t turn from his wicked ways in repentance and believe the gospel, he will be judged most harshly (2 Peter 2).


28 posted on 04/24/2016 8:16:44 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

No big deal, I figured you knew. I just thought I should make sure it was clear lest we give the wrong impression to those who don’t know. I’m a Reformed Baptist, a Calvinist, so I often have more in common with conservative Presbys than I do other Baptists.


29 posted on 04/24/2016 8:30:53 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Morgana
There is also a thread currently where a retired Methodist bishop conducted a marriage between 2 men.

Homosexual marriage....abortion justification, see how easy it is to change the rules when you leave Christ's church???sigh.

30 posted on 04/24/2016 8:32:22 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

“see how easy it is to change the rules when you leave Christ’s church???sigh.”

COT and VII, Oh the irony of someone throwing rocks from a crumbling glass shack.

Luke 18:11-14 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

11 The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican.
12 I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.


31 posted on 04/24/2016 8:59:26 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: mrobisr
Gilbert K. Chesterton wrote: Once you cease to believe the truth, you will believe ANYTHING.

If you are using Douay Rheims as I do, that makes it likely that you too are Catholic. We ought to avoid the uncharitable suggestion that those who are Reformed Christians are uniquely inclined to change the rules.

There was a fervent young priest in my parish when I was a teenager. Very good looking and personable fellow. Three days a week, he used to work out with weights with me and a fellow graduate of the parish parochial school. He was a good preacher and one of SIX siblings out of twelve who entered the religious life. One of his brothers who was also a priest was martyred by the communists in Vietnam for teaching Catholicism to children. To make a long story short, before he was thirty, he left the priesthood "married" the ugliest divorcee (when Catholics being divorced was quite rare) for miles around. He is now pushing eighty, still alive, affluent and has been a member iof the National Board of "Catholics" for a Free "Choice," the notorious pro-abort group funded by Hugh Hefner's Playboy Foundation. No one has a monopoly on these apostates. Call that fallen priest Fr. B and pray for him in what little time he has left.

As civilization crumbles around us, we need to develop interdenominational love and charity in the ruins.

If I am misjudging your mindset in any way, I apologize in advance and welcome correction. That would be my understanding of the humility referenced in the passage you cite.

I assume VII is the Second Vatican Council which left so much in ruins. What is COT?

May God bless you and yours!

32 posted on 04/24/2016 11:18:50 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Morgana

I was raised in the Presbyterian Church in the Fifties. I no longer will have anything to do with them. My faith is strong, but I am unaffiliated now,


33 posted on 04/25/2016 12:04:54 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: BlackElk; mrobisr

COT = Council of Trent?


34 posted on 04/25/2016 12:27:00 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Morgana

“I walked out of a meeting this morning at a Planned Parenthood office/clinic and saw a lone protestor holding a sign that said, “They kill babies here.” I have a lot of thoughts about that sign but I will restrain myself. Here is what I thought that is most relevant: This is resurrection work. No, not the sign carrier. The people I love at Planned Parenthood. They are resurrection workers.”


They don’t see it as baby killing. They see it in terms of “self actualization” and giving the woman carrying the child a chance at a “more fulfilled life.” That’s what it means to them. To deny “self actualization” is, in their eyes, to deny life. The child means nothing to them, the adult means everything.

I find it hard to believe this man has children of his own. I suppose these pro-aborts who have children see them as accessories or “choices” and therefore if they “choose” a child they can feel good about their “choice” and if they choose to kill the child, they can feel good about that “choice” too. It’s all about self-fulfillment to them.

The child is not a gift from God to them.

The child is some sort of radio button or toggle switch.

It’s ghastly.


35 posted on 04/25/2016 12:33:37 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Morgana

Woe to those who call EVIL good.


36 posted on 04/25/2016 2:25:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PGalt
Defund?

I can think of a better word that starts with 'de'.

37 posted on 04/25/2016 2:27:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hieronymus
The ministry of truth is doing well.


 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


38 posted on 04/25/2016 2:29:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
Later before his death Jackson converted to Islam.

He DID!!??!!


39 posted on 04/25/2016 2:31:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
Later before his death Jackson converted to Islam.

I know that AFTER his death he was given the chance to become MORMON.


http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/mormon/baptism/
 
http://www.exmormon.org/Joseph-Smith-Uninspired-Invention-of-Dead-Dunking-Thanks-to-Sudden-Death-of-Alvin.pdf
 
 

40 posted on 04/25/2016 2:37:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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