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Socci: The Apostolic Exhortation is a turning-point in Catholic Doctrine
Libero via Rorate Caeli ^ | April 9, 2016 | Antonio Socci

Posted on 04/09/2016 3:44:47 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 04/09/2016 3:44:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Death is the start of something beautiful ...

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2 posted on 04/09/2016 3:47:41 PM PDT by soycd
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The document makes it seem that it is almost impossible to commit mortal sin.

A future Pope is going to have to repudiate every document and utterance of Bergoglio.


3 posted on 04/09/2016 5:13:07 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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According to Francis, we Catholics talk too much about infanticide, but not enough about accepting the mortal sins of adulterey and cohabitation.


4 posted on 04/09/2016 6:51:09 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The document makes it seem that it is almost impossible to commit mortal sin.

The great Fr. Schall SJ had this to say after his first quick reading:

But when we add it all up, it often seems that the effect of this approach is to lead us to
conclude that no “sin” has ever occurred. Everything has an excusing cause. If this
conclusion is correct, we really have no need for mercy, which has no meaning apart
from actual sin and its free recognition. One goes away from this approach not being
sorry for his sins but relieved in realizing that he has never really sinned at all.
Therefore, there is no pressing need to concern oneself too much with these situations.

5 posted on 04/09/2016 7:00:43 PM PDT by jobim
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Very good. It’s great to see there’s still a few Jesuits who are Catholics.


6 posted on 04/09/2016 7:05:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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A future Pope—let us hope the NEXT Pope—will have to repudiate this document, the stupid global warming encyclical, and most of what Bergoglio has said and done.

There’s no mystery about Bergoglio. He is an egotistical, run-of-the-mill, lefty South American bishop, completely duped by the internationalist, no-borders, totalitarian Left.


7 posted on 04/09/2016 7:40:01 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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8 posted on 04/09/2016 8:35:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Democrats are going into full Alinsky mode against Trump.)
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9 posted on 04/09/2016 8:36:35 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Democrats are going into full Alinsky mode against Trump.)
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Do you have a link for Father Schall’s response? I would like to read it.


10 posted on 04/10/2016 7:42:53 AM PDT by kalee
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Fr. Schall’s response in full:

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/4696/in_iamoris_laetitiai_who_is_admonishing_whom.aspx


11 posted on 04/10/2016 8:57:26 AM PDT by Deo volente ("NAFTA, GATT, WTO, New World Order." George Putnam, among others, warned us.)
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The document also leaves contraception up to the “conscience” of the couple. In other words it’s fine to take birth control pills if your “conscience” tells you it’s OK.

So couples can continue to shack up and it’s not a sin if they talk it over with their priest and their “conscience” tells them it’s OK. The same applies to two sodomites shacking up as if they are “married”. They can go up for communion if they go to a priest and he says the Lord would understand and to “follow your heart”.

Bergoglio will go down in history as the worst pope of the last 1000 years, maybe longer. He’s no more Catholic than Joel Osteen.


12 posted on 04/10/2016 9:09:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: Deo volente

Thank you.


13 posted on 04/10/2016 10:31:02 AM PDT by kalee
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http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/4696/in_iamoris_laetitiai_who_is_admonishing_whom.aspx


14 posted on 04/10/2016 10:50:36 AM PDT by jobim
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Of all the commentaries I’ve read, Schall and Pentin have 2 of the best and most balanced.

Fr. Schall is at Catholic World Report:

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/4696/in_iamoris_laetitiai_who_is_admonishing_whom.aspx

Ed Pentin, on his blog:

https://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/first-thoughts-on-the-english-version-of-pope-francis-amoris-laetitia/


15 posted on 04/10/2016 7:29:37 PM PDT by opus1 (This is all getting rather confusing.)
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Well, there you go, is that the essence of the conflict here? Conscience and feelings (heart) are two different things, sometimes irreconcilable (pardon the matrimonial pun).

As society has shifted away from the traditional Christian concept of an “informed conscience” so has the Church. So now an “experience of Jesus,” which by definition is personal and subjective, is to be the basis for all our behavior.

What is that “experience” anyway? Communion? Sacraments? Prayer? Hearing the birds chirp at sunrise? Dreams? Or “finding God through others in the community”? All those things are nice, but how do we know we are doing God’s will or even just doing good?


16 posted on 04/10/2016 7:37:24 PM PDT by opus1 (This is all getting rather confusing.)
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Sorry, of course I meant Peters. Thanks.


17 posted on 04/10/2016 7:39:02 PM PDT by opus1 (This is all getting rather confusing.)
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To: opus1

Wise words.


18 posted on 04/10/2016 8:05:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (In this Year of Mercy, may God have mercy on us.)
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Nothing had really changed.

Amoris Laetitia: Full Text, “The Joy of Love”

19 posted on 04/10/2016 8:10:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Thank you.


20 posted on 04/10/2016 10:35:40 PM PDT by kalee
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