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Cardinal Sarah: "There is No Forgiveness if There is No Repentance"
Catholic World Report ^ | 6/5/16 | Catherine Harmon

Posted on 04/06/2016 8:59:32 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Campion

Nope - doesn’t matter the reason - just call on Jesus’ name. It’s as easy (or hard (because of pride)) as that.


21 posted on 04/06/2016 9:57:30 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: xsmommy

Again we are not saved by works but by grace through faith. God doesn’t require perfect people to be saved or you wouldn’t be saved. Neither would I. That should be obvious. God through Jesus justifies the UNGODLY (Rom 4:5).


22 posted on 04/06/2016 10:02:52 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

You read it again “Repent AND believe in the Gospel.” Both are necessary, because both are two sides of the same coin.


23 posted on 04/06/2016 10:03:13 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jim 0216

not mutually exclusive. we are all sinners, repentance requires recognizing that we are and that Jesus is the answer.


24 posted on 04/06/2016 10:04:43 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Jim 0216
Probably I guess but not the kind of repentance most talk about as a prerequisite for salvation. The kind of repentance they usually talk about is sin-conscious repentance. That is a dead work. There’s NOTHING we can do about sin which is why Jesus died for the sins of the whole world 2000 years ago.

We are saved by grace through faith. When I received Jesus, I wasn’t aware of “repentance” and thank God no one told me I had to “repent first”. I was only aware I needed Jesus. Jesus, not repentance, saves. Man, not God requires repentance before salvation turning repentance into a work and we are not saved by works.

So the difference between an eternity in paradise in the Divine presence and an eternity of sulphur enemas and unspeakable suffering in eternal fire is nothing more than a gut feeling that "Jesus picked up the tab"??

I like it.........LOL!! I always knew I was wasting my time trying to stay away from whore houses and booze!

25 posted on 04/06/2016 10:24:12 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
There is No Forgiveness if There is No Repentance

I find no such condition when I read scripture but I am concerned to oppose that view when it comes from the Catholic World Report.

In a nutshell, it is my understanding that, forgiveness is mine and I didn’t have to earn or work for it. Forgiveness is for the entire world.

Repentance occurs when I receive the forgiveness on faith.

26 posted on 04/06/2016 11:45:33 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: MosesKnows

So you forgive yourself of your own sins?

How convenient in the Church of Me.


27 posted on 04/06/2016 12:31:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: xsmommy

Nope. I never “recognized I was a sinner.” I only knew I needed Jesus. “Recognizing you are a sinner” is not a biblical requirement for being saved but ADDS a work. The gospel is the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ WITHOUT WORKS.

Sin consciousnesses never saved anyone. Jesus consciousness is what saves us.

All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Rom 10:13.


28 posted on 04/06/2016 12:36:17 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: marshmallow

Your works good or bad do not determine your eternal destiny.

The eternal question is “What will you do with Jesus?”

“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and your house.” Acts 16:31.


29 posted on 04/06/2016 12:40:16 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Nope - doesn’t matter the reason - just call on Jesus’ name. It’s as easy (or hard (because of pride)) as that.

"Call on Jesus' name" for what, exactly? If I have no consciousness of sin and therefore no fear of hell, Jesus has nothing that I need.

30 posted on 04/06/2016 12:41:59 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Jim 0216
I only knew I needed Jesus.

You needed Jesus for what?

31 posted on 04/06/2016 12:42:52 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Ann Archy

We had a very risky pregnancy with our youngest. Many so called “good Christian” women told me to have my wife kill our youngest so it wouldn’t “traumatize” my wife.

Let’s just say if a man said that to me, I would have hit him.

Women are choosing to kill their own young, and then screaming it is not their fault and we need to support them. Sorry. Murder is murder.


32 posted on 04/06/2016 1:02:46 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: Jim 0216
Your works good or bad do not determine your eternal destiny

So I'm good for a murder or two or a bit of nookie with the neighbor's wife?

33 posted on 04/06/2016 1:31:32 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow; Jim 0216
So I'm good for a murder or two or a bit of nookie with the neighbor's wife?

That"s what Satan or Luther will tell you. It''s shame that some people, to this day, listen to those two evil souls.

34 posted on 04/06/2016 1:41:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: marshmallow

“So I’m good for a murder or two or a bit of nookie with the neighbor’s wife?”

Hmm, a certain “man after God’s own heart” springs to mind, though I doubt he formulated his sin so flippantly.

Remember, the standard is absolute perfection. You may not even THINK about murder, adultery, etc. You may not stumble at even ONE point, else you’ve broken the WHOLE LAW.


35 posted on 04/06/2016 2:42:18 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: ebb tide
So you forgive yourself of your own sins?

You don't read much about what you speak do you.

If you did, even if you didn't subscribe to it, you could discover that your forgiveness came over 2,000 years ago.

I would agree that Christianity is a great source of convenience and more importantly, a great source of contentment but it is not a church, it is a way of life.

36 posted on 04/06/2016 3:00:06 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: MosesKnows
You don't read much about what you speak do you.

Speak for yourself, cherry-picker. I quoted scripture in post #12.

It's a shame you reject the same.

37 posted on 04/06/2016 3:05:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: redgolum

A Dr. told my friend that she was going to have a MONSTER and to ABORT....KILL her ...luckily she didn’t and she had a Perfect baby that is 45 today!


38 posted on 04/06/2016 3:24:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ebb tide
I quoted scripture in post #12

Well, there you have it; we are in agreement.

39 posted on 04/06/2016 5:24:59 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus died on the cross for your murder or two or a bit of nookie with the neighbor’s wife. His eternal and perfect sacrifice is greater than any sin. Otherwise, you do “count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and do despite to the spirit of grace”.

God through Jesus is a justifier of the ungodly. Rom 3:26.


40 posted on 04/06/2016 5:39:54 PM PDT by Jim W N
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