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Why I’ll Stay Catholic Even if the Whole World Turns Against Us
Catholic Stand ^ | February 14, 2016 | Felix Whelan

Posted on 02/14/2016 3:07:53 PM PST by NYer

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To: metmom
Because we don't believe that *our own brand of Christianity* is what saves people. Not one of the non-Catholics on FR promote their chosen place of worship as the One True Church, don't claim that by it alone one can be saved, don't claim that it alone has the truth or is the truth, don't claim authority over every person who names the name of Christ worldwide. It's CHRIST who saves, not a church or denomination. We promote Jesus, not a religious organization.

Nice to see you behaving normally.
God bless you and yours.

41 posted on 02/14/2016 8:05:51 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: metmom

Did you read the words in the title (Catholic Caucus)??


42 posted on 02/14/2016 8:07:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain; Religion Moderator

Do you not break the caucus protection by mentioning “Protestantism”?


43 posted on 02/14/2016 8:31:04 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: jmaroneps37; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Amen! Catholic then, Catholic now, Catholic forever. I don’t agree with Francis on lot of things, but he is not the Church, Christ is.

Neither is Rome the one true church, and Francis represents the majority of whom Rome counts and treats as members in life and in death. .

44 posted on 02/14/2016 9:08:35 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: HerrBlucher
. None of them can hold a candle to the completeness of Catholicism,

Actually, as a former weekly RC, i can attest that few can t hold a candle to her level of deformation of the NT church.

Which church, as manifested in Scripture,

1. Was not based upon the premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility of office as per Rome, which has presumed to infallibly declare that she is and will perpetually be infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

2. Never promised or taught ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility was essential for preservation of truth, including writings to be discerned and established as Scripture, and for assurance of faith, and that historical descent as the stewards of Scripture means that such possessed ensured infallibility.

3. Never was a church that manifested the Lord's supper as being the central means of grace, around which all else revolved, it being “the source and summit of the Christian faith” in which “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” by which one received spiritual life in themselves by consuming human flesh, so that without which eating one cannot have eternal life (as per RC literalism, of Jn. 6:53,54). In contrast to believing the gospel by which one is regenerated, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and desiring the milk (1Pt. 2:2) and then the “strong meat” (Heb. 5:12-14) of the word of God, being “nourished” (1Tim. 4:6) by hearing the word of God and letting it dwell in them, (Col. 3:16) by which word (Scriptures) man is to live by, (Mt. 4:4) as Christ lived by the Father, (Jn. 6:57) doing His will being His “meat.” (Jn. 4:34) And with the Lord's supper, which is only manifestly described once in the life of the church, focusing on the church being the body of Christ in showing the Lord sacrificial death by that communal meal.

4. Never had any pastors titled "priests" as they did not engage in any unique sacrificial function, that of turning bread into human flesh and dispensing it to the people, or even dispensing bread as their primary ordained function, versus preaching the word. (2Tim. 4:2)

5. Never differentiated between bishops and elders, and with grand titles ("Most Reverend Eminence," “Very Reverend,” “Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord,” “His Eminence Cardinal,” “The Most Reverend the Archbishop,” etc.) or made themselves distinct by their ostentatious pompous garb. (Matthew 23:5-7) Or were all to be formally called “father” as that would require them to be spiritual fathers to all (Mt. 23:8-10 is a form of hyperbole, reproving the love of titles such as Catholicism examples, and “thinking of men above that which is written, and instead the Lord emphasizes the One Father of all who are born of the Spirit, whom He Himself worked to glorify).

6. Never required clerical celibacy as the norm, (1Tim. 3:17) which presumes all such have that gift, (1Cor. 7:7) or otherwise manifested that celibacy was the norm among apostles and pastors, or had vowed to be so. (1Cor. 9:4; Titus 1:5,6)

7. Never taught that Peter was the "rock" of Mt. 16:18 upon which the church is built, interpreting Mt. 16:18, rather than upon the rock of the faith confessed by Peter, thus Christ Himself. (For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the so-called “church fathers” concur with.)

8. Never taught or exampled that all the churches were to look to Peter as the bishop of Rome, as the first of a line of supreme heads reigning over all the churches, and having the last word in questions affecting the whole Church.

9. Never recorded or taught any apostolic successors (like for James: Acts 12:1,2) after Judas who was to maintain the original 12: Rv. 21:14) or elected any apostolic successors by voting, versus casting lots (no politics). (Acts 1:15ff)

10. Never recorded or manifested (not by conjecture) sprinkling or baptism without repentant personal faith, that being the stated requirement for baptism. (Acts 2:38; 8:36-38)

11. Never preached a gospel of salvation which begins with becoming good enough inside (formally justified due to infused interior charity), via sprinkling (RC "baptism") in recognition of proxy faith, and which thus usually ends with becoming good enough again to enter Heaven via suffering in purgatory, commencing at death.

12. Never supported or made laws that restricted personal reading of Scripture by laity (contrary to Chrysostom), if able and available, sometimes even outlawing it when it was.

13. Never used the sword of men to deal with its theological dissenters.

14. Never taught that the deity Muslims worship (who is not as an "unknown god") is the same as theirs.

15. Never had a separate class of believers called “saints.”

16. Never prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or were instructed to (i.e. "our Mother who art in Heaven") who were able to hear and respond to virtually unlimited prayers addressed to them (a uniquely Divine attribute in Scripture).

17. Never recorded a women who never sinned, and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving) and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven and exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) as

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

45 posted on 02/14/2016 9:12:02 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: ealgeone
Do you not break the caucus protection by mentioning “Protestantism”?

That was done in #23.

46 posted on 02/14/2016 9:17:52 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: LT Brass Bancroft
If somebody wants to convert me away from Catholicism, he’ll have to convince me of one of the following:...That the Pope is not the successor to St. Peter. See here then by the grace of God. And debate here if you care to.
47 posted on 02/14/2016 9:19:36 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212; All

You shall know them by their fruit.
RC, the world thanks you for such a mixture of curse and blessing for our fellow man.
These days, it’s far more curse and very little blessing.
1. Tens of Thousands of Sodomized children (mainly boys) molested by Thousands of pedophile priests protected by the Vatican Whore of Rome.
2. Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants (some middle eastern Muslim terror agents) fradulently forced upon our nation by the “benevolent” RC family services, who make Millions from the government for pimping placement services.
3. Rock star popes who the vapid leftist media adores, hanging on every soul damning utterance, scolding us of not being more Christ-like to help the poor, while Grossly wealthy Vatican lives it up, guarded by their very own army.

It is Disgusting.
Domino go stick’em up
Domino go frisk’em


48 posted on 02/14/2016 9:22:53 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: NYer

Seeing as this is on old blog post, June 3, 2015, is Elizabeth Scalia related to the late Justice or are you using it because....


49 posted on 02/14/2016 9:43:38 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

FYI, molestations are much higher in non-Catholic churches. And please, check out the record for the schools. Priests are way down on the list.


50 posted on 02/14/2016 9:44:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
Fox News Report
In fundamentalist and evangelical churches -- sexual abuse
Other non-Catholic churches and sexual abuse
51 posted on 02/14/2016 9:51:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Dear decieved mis-Salvation victim,
The “Reformation” link you sent was last updated 13 years ago in 2003.
There’s been Mucho priest-child molestation revelations since then.

Besides, the RC learns little.
Lady week the Vatican proclaimed bishops do Not have an obligation to report pedophile priests.
I’m sure victims and their families are heartened to learn the Vatican isn’t suffering from guilt and has put it all behind them.
Umm, pardon the misfortune appropos phrase.


52 posted on 02/14/2016 9:59:26 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

And much more abuse by non-Catholic ministers.


53 posted on 02/14/2016 10:01:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; All

Unrepentant defiant Whore of Rome monsters!:
Every responsible party should be sued til they have nothing, and then jailed to prevent further harm.
The RC is a lawless religious mafia racket

KHNL: Vatican: Bishops not obligated to report sexual abuse

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:9QnO5kKE

Vatican: Bishops not obligated to report sexual abuse

ARIZONA
Hawaii News Now

By Janice Yu

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Roman Catholic Church told newly ordained bishops that they are not obligated to report sexual abuse to authorities, stating the responsibility to report the abuse falls on the victims and their families.

This was first reported by a journalist with Crux, a Catholic news website.

Tucson Diocese Bishop Gerald Kicanas said there is a lot of effort in the U.S. to make sure bishops report any sexual abuse to authorities.

He also said bishops are well aware of their responsibility to report.

Locally, the diocese screens those working in the ministry, as well as volunteers and staff.

Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said they are upset by the news.

“No mention was made that you should call the police when a crime is reported to you and we found that deeply disturbing,” said Barbara Dorris, with SNAP.

Dorris said there has been a lot of talk about changes that will be made within the church, but nothing has actually been accomplished to make sure those responsible for sexual abuse are held accountable.

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:9QnO5kKE

Vatican: Bishops not obligated to report sexual abuse

ARIZONA
Hawaii News Now

By Janice Yu

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Roman Catholic Church told newly ordained bishops that they are not obligated to report sexual abuse to authorities, stating the responsibility to report the abuse falls on the victims and their families.

This was first reported by a journalist with Crux, a Catholic news website.

Tucson Diocese Bishop Gerald Kicanas said there is a lot of effort in the U.S. to make sure bishops report any sexual abuse to authorities.

He also said bishops are well aware of their responsibility to report.

Locally, the diocese screens those working in the ministry, as well as volunteers and staff.

Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said they are upset by the news.

“No mention was made that you should call the police when a crime is reported to you and we found that deeply disturbing,” said Barbara Dorris, with SNAP.

Dorris said there has been a lot of talk about changes that will be made within the church, but nothing has actually been accomplished to make sure those responsible for sexual abuse are held accountable.


54 posted on 02/14/2016 10:09:37 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: cloudmountain
It was the FIRST Christian faith and it still works after 2000 years. Other Christian versions didn't emerge until ONE THOUSAND, FIVE HUNDRED+ YEARS LATER.

Your own Catholic history, such as it is tells you that is not true...

55 posted on 02/14/2016 10:36:51 PM PST by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: NYer

I’ll stay Catholic even though the Pope has turned against us.


56 posted on 02/14/2016 11:58:43 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump for me. I want to see Hillary, Bernie or any demoncrap crushed)
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To: LT Brass Bancroft

No one can convince me that God does not exist. I just know as sure as my heart is beating right now.


57 posted on 02/15/2016 4:07:16 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NYer

Thank you for posting.


58 posted on 02/15/2016 4:07:53 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NYer
I choose sanity. I choose the Catholic Church. Forever.

I choose the BOOK Rome assembled: long, long ago. I choose Jesus - not His mom. I reject the added necessities that Rome has inflicted upon it's members.


 
 
 
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.


John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 

 
 
 

59 posted on 02/15/2016 4:23:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation; Religion Moderator
Did you miss the words Catholic Caucus in the title?

I did.


I did NOT miss the FACT that PROTESTANTS get told they are WRONG 'the whole world is wrong'.

Seems like this kinda stuff will cause a thread to LOSE it's PROTECTED status on FR.

60 posted on 02/15/2016 4:28:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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