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The Parish Church in a Changeable Community: Some Basic Requirements for Survival
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-01-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 02/02/2016 8:30:41 AM PST by Salvation

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The Church should never be a "strange building" in a neighborhood. It is not an island set apart. Rather, it is an oasis in the desert of every neighborhood, deeply connected to its neighbors and their salvation.
1 posted on 02/02/2016 8:30:41 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation

No mention of sharing the amazing Gospel that alone gives hope and eternal life.

A-Pope misses the big picture Christ gave us.


2 posted on 02/02/2016 8:34:44 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (As a representative of Earth, I officially welcome Global Warming to our planet)
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To: Salvation

Good comments. We’ve discussed many of these issues in our Stewardship Committee.


3 posted on 02/02/2016 8:37:46 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Salvation

What do you think “Catechesis” is, or just like to bloviate?

Catechesis is critical. Most Catholics have little instruction that the entire world is divided up into parishes. Every parish has a pastor and a territory. Since there is only once Church, the Pastor (together with his parish to help) is the shepherd of every human person within those boundaries: Catholic or Protestant, Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist. The parish has a responsibility to connect with every man, woman and child in their boundaries and invite them to know Christ, through his Word, Sacraments and his Body the Church.


4 posted on 02/02/2016 8:45:00 AM PST by ADSUM
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One thing, however, has not changed: there are still human beings who need to hear the Gospel and be saved. No less than in the past, we need to go out and meet our new neighbors, welcome them, and proclaim the primordial call: Come to Jesus.
5 posted on 02/02/2016 8:48:34 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


6 posted on 02/02/2016 9:02:29 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The winning comment:

“Avoid merely lamenting the passage of the “good old days.” Scripture says, “For here we have no lasting city” (Heb 13:14). Change is part of life. The parish may once have been Polish, or Italian, or black, or white, but now it is changing. One thing, however, has not changed: there are still human beings who need to hear the Gospel and be saved. No less than in the past, we need to go out and meet our new neighbors, welcome them, and proclaim the primordial call: Come to Jesus.”

It is good that for once, the focus is starting to shift to the need to have relationship with Jesus, even in the Catholic Church.


7 posted on 02/02/2016 9:13:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Tax-chick; aMorePerfectUnion

Yes. It was there all along. :-)

I’m glad you pointed it out.


8 posted on 02/02/2016 9:16:32 AM PST by asyouwish (Philippians 4:8)
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Jesus Christ is the reason for all worthwhile parish activity.


9 posted on 02/02/2016 9:20:18 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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"What do you think “Catechesis” is, or just like to bloviate?" Having gone through "Catechesis", I know exactly what it is and know it is not the Gospel of Grace. It will get you to third base, which is something. It will not get you eternal life. A-Pope missed the single largest reason for the death of Christ. The goal isn't to grow parishes. The goal is to bring eternal life to those who are perishing.
10 posted on 02/02/2016 9:28:23 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (As a representative of Earth, I officially welcome Global Warming to our planet)
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To: Tax-chick

Amen!


11 posted on 02/02/2016 9:33:36 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Msgr. Pope points out several ways in which we can get caught up in “institutional maintenance,” just keeping going because we’re going ... until we’re not. I think he’s got valuable advice for anyone in parish leadership.


12 posted on 02/02/2016 9:37:26 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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To: Salvation; Tax-chick

Msgr. Pope has shared his own experience and of course it has merit.

It would be good to unite and strengthen the parish neighborhood again.

There is a desire for that to happen again, as in the days of old, but the days of old, are gone. The condition of the Church, from Rome to the American parish, is suffering a gravely divided house, from diocese to diocese.

While it is much worse, even insufferable in some dioceses than in others, there is a different Catholic Church out there. The Church in the US is beginning to look more Episcopalian every day, except for some Episcopal “masses” are quite more pious and rich than many, many Catholic celebrations.

I can not imagine dealing with attendance and location, until the pall over the Church identity, the catechesis, it’s strange conversations with foreign influences and the visible loss of the practices, is first attended.


13 posted on 02/02/2016 9:57:44 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

I think each of us has to do the best we can in our own specific circumstances. However, what we all have in common is our call to live in and for Christ.


14 posted on 02/02/2016 10:23:47 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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To: Salvation

The problem in my area is that the non-Anglo heirs to the parishes they inherit from them won’t contribute to the upkeep of the buildings (then bitch and moan when the parishes are closed due to deterioration).


15 posted on 02/02/2016 12:39:02 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I disagree with your personal opinion.

It was stated clearly in the article: “and invite them to know Christ, through his Word, Sacraments and his Body the Church.”

I hope that you can find peace in your heart and realize that the Catholic Church’s mission is to lead all to eternal life with God. To do this it is natural to build a parish so that people can learn from the Word of God and the Sacraments and from other members of the Body of Christ.


16 posted on 02/02/2016 2:07:44 PM PST by ADSUM
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” was stated clearly in the article: “and invite them to know Christ, through his Word, Sacraments and his Body the Church.””

None of those three bring eternal life unless you actually teach the Gospel of grace.


17 posted on 02/02/2016 2:43:48 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (As a representative of Earth, I officially welcome Global Warming to our planet)
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To: kearnyirish2

Engaging immigrant populations in stewardship is a challenge, but Msgr. Pope (and my committee) would say it’s a challenge we have to undertake. Realistically, one element might be accepting a different attitude toward buildings. If a parish is - probably through no fault of anyone there - enslaved to its physical plant, that can be a major impediment to building a living and evangelical congregation in the present.


18 posted on 02/02/2016 3:37:04 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Government employees are the single most important Democrat interest group."~Kevin Williamson)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Having gone through “Catechesis”, I know exactly what it is”

Years ago there was a person here who claimed to be a Catholic deacon and made all sorts of wrong-headed, wrong-hearted, and downright offensive claims about Catholicism.

It turned out that he was a complete fraud.


19 posted on 02/02/2016 6:51:07 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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The problems seen with parish facilities is often the same as with the neighborhood infrastructure; as these populations move in, they also don’t seem to have any desire to pay for road improvements, garbage/snow removal, etc.

They want everything made available and maintained for them, but not on their dimes.


20 posted on 02/03/2016 3:58:43 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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