Posted on 01/16/2016 6:35:45 AM PST by grumpa
Most of the postings concerning Islam on the internet are about the atrocities being committed around the world. But we need to take more time to explain WHY these things happen. Even though the violent commands are in the Quran, many western Muslims discount them, brushing them off as not literal. So it is necessary to go to the hadith to see how Muhammad himself interpreted these things. This needs to be communicated widely to Muslims themselves to bring them out of the dark.
Like many Christians who have not studied the Bible, most Muslims have never really studied the Quran and hadith, especially not in context. They understand it based on what is taught to them by other Muslims they consider authorities, without using reason and individual research. (But those authorities have not really read the source texts either!) This is all about Theology from the Echo Chamber. We encourage Muslims to go to the sources for the facts:
The Quran (http://quran.com) and
hadith (http://hadithcollection.com).
For example, Muslims have been taught that many battles of Muhammad were all defensive in nature, and that he even showed mercy to his enemies. But is that correct? Well, NO. It is not correct. Muslims are often horrified when they discover that reliable Muslim sources clearly document that the actions of Muhammad were offensive and not defensive. Let us take a look.
Did you know that Muhammad said that he would fight people until they became Muslim or until he killed them and took their property? Muhammad said: I have been ordered by Allah to fight against people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allahs Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity. . . then they will save their lives and property from me. (Bukhari 1.2.24). Here is the reference which you can read for yourself:
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/35-sahih-bukhari-book-02-belief/69-sahih-bukhari-volume-001-book-002-hadith-number-024.html
Muhammad taught that the greatest thing a Muslim can do after having faith is to engage in jihad, which means religious fighting. (Bukhari 1.2.25) Read it here:
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/35-sahih-bukhari-book-02-belief/70--sahih-bukhari-volume-001-book-002-hadith-number-025.html
Also, read through Volume 4, Book 52, beginning with hadith #41, will confirm that jihad is fighting. http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85-.html
Did you know that the earliest records show that Muhammad launched offensive military campaigns and used violence at times to accomplish his purposes? Even the first major battle in Islamic history, the Battle of Badr, was the result of his offensive effort against a Meccan caravan—the Nakhla raid (Bukhari 5.59.287 and Muslim 19:4366). See also Ibn Kathirs book The Battles of the Prophet and the Quran 9:5, 9:29, and 9.111. Look up the hadith testimonies here:
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/92--sp-608/5798-sahih-bukhari-volume-005-book-059-hadith-number-287.html
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/147-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2019.%20Jihad%20and%20Expedition/12735-sahih-muslim-book-019-hadith-number-4366.html
Of course, this should not be surprising since many passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to hate or kill or terrorize infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. See Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 2:244, 3:56, 3:142, 3:151, 4:56, 4:74 (beheading), 4:76, 4:84, 4:89, 4:91, 4:95, 4:104, 5:51, 5:32-38, 7:96-99, 8:12-15 (beheading, terrorism), 8:39, 8:57-60, 8:65-67, 9:5, 9:14, 9:20-30, 9:38-41, 9:73, 9:88, 9:111, 9:123, 17:16, 18:65-81, 21:44, 22:18-22, 25:52, 33:60-62, 47:3-4 (beheading), 47:35, 48:16-17, 48:29, 61:4, and 66:8-12.
Did you know that one of many accounts of his violence—again, from a reliable Muslim source—includes a time when Muhammad ordered a warrior to assassinate a mother of five, Asma bint Marwin. She was breastfeeding a child when she was murdered, her blood splattering on her children. When the assassin told Muhammad he had difficulty with what he had done, Muhammad showed no remorse. (Ibn Ishaq/Guillaume, Life of Muhammad, p. 676. Also see Ibn Sad, Kitab al Tobaqat.)
Did you know that it is well documented that in the aftermath of the Battle of the Trench Muhammad captured and beheaded over 500 men and teenage boys for the Jewish tribe of Qurayza? And after the Muslims killed the men, they sold the women and children into slavery and distributed their goods among themselves? (Ibn Ishaq/Guillaume, Life of Muhammad, p. 464)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331
Did you know that Muhammad forced people to drink urine of a camel? (Bukhari 8.82.794 and Muslim 16.4130)
Did you know that his Quran condones rape of captured women, whose lives had just been destroyed, even if their husbands were still living? For example, Surah 4:24 says: Forbidden for you are women already married, except such as your right hand possess. Allah has enjoined this on you. See also Suras 23:6 and 70:30, which meant that Muslim men could have intercourse with slave women that had been captured as spoils of war. (Other hadith gave the historical context, affirming rape. (Muslim 8.3432; Sunan Abu Daud 11.2150)
But that is not all. All four major schools of Sunni and all three major schools of Shia teach that people who leave Islam must be killed for their apostasy. This comes, of course, from their holy books. There is a credible tradition in Islam that says that there are three specific reasons someone may be killed: murder, adultery, or leaving Islam (apostasy). See Quran 4:89 and 9:5, 12. In Bukhari 9.84.57 we find that Muhammad simply stated: Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him. Read it for yourself here:
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/117-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2084.%20Dealing%20with%20Apostates/6557-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-084-hadith-number-057.html
Is this what Islam means by justice? Can you imagine these things ever happening in Christianity?
http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam
The future must not belong to those who deny the true nature of Islam
John Quincy Adams on Islam
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.
Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).
Too many Muslims do obey their god, and too many Christians do not obey their God.
Islam is “religion” based on cruelty to the unbeliever. Unbelievers can be other Muslims from other sects of Islam or non-Muslims. Muhammad was a child rapist, slave trader, slave master, sex slave trafficker, kidnapper, genocidal mass murderer, blissful torturer, thief and liar. This and more is well documented in the Koran and Hadith.
The Muslims joining ISIS are just Muslims wanting to be “Good Muslims.†They want to follow the way of their prophet. In the exact way Muhammad lived and ruled. No amount of sugar coating or mumbling about “moderate” Muslims will change that. “Radicalized” Muslims are simply Muslims who want to be “Good Muslims” in their host country according to the very same Koran and Hadith.
That isn’t Islam.../s
Muslims must turn from their evil beliefs and accept the teaching and salvation of Jesus as their Lord and God. There is no other way open to them.
"For example, Surah 4:24 says: Forbidden for you are women already married, except such as your right hand possess. Allah has enjoined this on you"
Sure reads like Victorian English, doesn't it ?
The interpretation of the Koran is VERY literal, and any of the verses which preach love and acceptance of other people are abrogated by the verses which takes the dictates to convert, enslave or kill the ones who do not believe in the primacy of Allah (definitely a very different deity than that of either the Torah or the Old and New Testaments) very seriously. There is no equivalent of either the Ten Commandments or the Golden Rule in the Koran.
“Moderate” Muslims seem to be capable of becoming “radical” Muslims on a moment’s notice, and in response to the most insignificant of slights. The Sudden Jihadist Syndrome seems to be part of just about every sect among the Muslims, and it is as easily triggered against another Muslim whose faith seems to be “not strong enough”, as it is to any infidel.
There is a subset of Muslims known as “Sufis”. Sufism is a Muslim movement whose followers seek to find divine truth and love through direct encounters with God. Sufism arose from within Islam in the 8th-9th centuries C.E. as an ascetic movement. The movement may have been given (or taken on) the name Sufism because of the course wool garments they wore as a mark of their rejection of worldly things; Sufis have traditionally taken vows of poverty and celibacy.
And they are targets of the Sunni and Shi’ite sects, for not sufficiently “religious” in applying the more violent parts of the Koran.
Doesn’t all that qualify Islam as a cult and not as a religion?
It’s a disgusting subhuman cancer on the face of the earth.
I believe I have good knowledge of both Islam and Christianity.
There religions are really not comparable and it is a waste of time to try to make them compatable.
The fundamentals of Islam as explained in the Koran and Hadiths is convert to Islam, or pay protection money (Jizya)and if you don't do either we are going to kill you.
Christianity is a forgive and forget , love everyone, do good deeds, etc.
Islam came 600 years after Christianity and Muhammed knew how to take advantage of the naive Christians, and their unworldly views and incorporated it into Islam.
We are witnessing that first hand now with Christian clergy trying to appease Muslims at the expense of the lives of defenseless Christians around the world.
Naive people keep on praying while the Muslims will keep on preying. -Tom christianity nd Uslam there s n
“Moderate†Muslims seem to be capable of becoming “radical†Muslims on a moment’s notice, and in response to the most insignificant of slights. The Sudden Jihadist Syndrome seems to be part of just about every sect among the Muslims...”
Why trust a Muslim? Ever? They are all Jekyll-Hyde bombs with eyes.
There is a credible tradition in Islam that says that there are three specific reasons someone may be killed: murder, adultery, or leaving Islam (apostasy).
“Killing for just cause” only applies to Muslims. In other words, killing a non Muslim is not murder. A Muslim may only kill another Muslim “for just cause,” the reasons cited above.
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