Pope Francis – “Fundamentalism is a Sickness”

LifeSiteNews ^ | 30 Nov 2015 | John-Henry Westen

[Jeff Chandler]

There was a time when the interdenominational fighting tended to spoil the experience of browsing the religion section. Now all I have to do is read what the Pope said.

[amorphous]

Fundamentalism: The term Fundamentalism (from the Latin noun fundamen, fundaminis, related to the verb fundare, meaning to establish, found, or confirm) usually has a religious connotation indicating unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs,[1] but fundamentalism has come to be applied to a broad tendency among certain groups, mainly, although not exclusively, in religion. This tendency is most often characterized by a markedly strict literalism as applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions,[2][3][4][5] leading to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which it is believed that members have begun to stray. Rejection of diversity of opinion as applied to these established "fundamentals" and their accepted interpretation within the group is often the result of this tendency.[6]

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I do see confusion in use of the term. In the strictest sense, the term means: to establish, found, or confirm (i.e., seek truth). It appears to now be used in the broadest form (i.e., religious ideology).

There are things we just don't know the details behind or we confuse scripture while attempting to apply what we think we understand to something we don't.

One example I've discovered, at least I think I have, is Enoch's description of the four corners of the world as he said was revealed to him by an Angel of God. IIRC, the book of Enoch was taken out of the Bible around the same time the church accepted the world as round.

I believe the book of Enoch WAS Divinely inspired - we just didn't/don't understand it, nor perhaps Enoch himself understood it. He perhaps did his best to describe what was revealed to him using limited technical knowledge of the time.

We now know / believe there are four forces that make this entire universe possible: electromagnetism; gravity; the weak nuclear force, and the strong nuclear force (i.e, the four corners that hold up of the world). So maybe this is what Enoch was shown? I have to ask, how would you describe these four forces if you lived in Enoch's time?

So let's not let our feeble minds and poor understanding limit our creator, who's power we can't begin to comprehend even today. And certainly we shouldn't let any misunderstanding of creation come between us and our fellow Christian brothers and sisters.

Something I believe with the reasoning I have; the unimaginable power that created everything around us today, still exists! And the more righteous among us have greatest access to it.

James 5:16 "...The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much."

[amorphous]

You got me Laz. I don’t have a clue where he is coming from. It’s why I suggested a ignorance of Islam and etc. But then their is an apparent lack of knowledge of scripture - something I find extremely troubling.

[amorphous]

lol

[amorphous]

What is “fundamentalism”?

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[Mrs. Don-o]

e Book of Enoch was never at any time accepted in the Jewish, Catholic, or Orthodox Bible, although it is accepted by the Ethiopian and (I think) the Egyptian Copts. It was written in Ethiopian in the 2nd century BC.

[cloudmountain]

"Fundamentalism is a sickness that is in all religions," Francis said, as reported by the National Catholic Reporter's Vatican correspondent, Joshua McElwee, and similarly by other journalists on the plane. "We Catholics have some -- and not some, many -- who believe in the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil."

Well, I never DID see why Catholics and Protestants (whichever denomination) should snipe at the others' faith. We are led to God by both Catholicism and Protestantism, whichever denomination. What's the use in anything else? God and heaven are our goals. Isn't that right?

[amorphous]

Thanks

[amorphous]

2 Timothy 2:24 ...a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

[cloudmountain]

Either Christianity is the only valid religion or there is no valid religion.

WORLDWIDE BREAKDOWN. (google)
The study estimated Christianity was the largest faith at 2.2 billion adherents or 31.5 percent of the world's population. The Roman Catholic Church makes up 50 percent of that total, with Protestants -- including Anglicans and non-denominational churches -- at 37 percent and Orthodox at 12 percent ...Dec 18, 2012
'No Religion' Is World's Third-Largest Religious Group After ...

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I guess the 1 billion+ Hindus aren't being counted here. Just curious, not baiting. Are the 1 billion+ Hindus doomed to hell?

[cloudmountain]

2 Timothy 2:24 ...a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Good words from the Good Book.
As I age I notice that it's easier to be good.

[livius]

I’m ignoring the usual Protestant attacks on Catholics here, simply to say that you’re right. I don’t know why we got such a horrible person at such a crucial time, but there must have been a reason.

One thing I have seen is that people really have to think about what they believe, because the Pope himself is ridiculing them for believing it. So there will be a shaking out, which is already going on, and the truth will emerge.

There may be a schism, but I think it’s going to be the “Francis Church” that proclaims it. They’ll officially take all the property and money and he’ll excommunicate everybody who doesn’t go along with him. But it won’t matter, because he’ll still be wrong, and he and his “New Church” will die together while the rest of us, the “True Church,” struggle on. And then there will be a new, orthodox Pope.

[Nervous Tick]

>> Islam is a religion of war, not peace. It always has been, and always will be.

Yep, and that will end only when Jesus the CHRIST and His forces defeat satan and his minions at Tel Megiddo.

We’re one day closer to that victory today than we were yesterday. Praise GOD!

[Faith Presses On]

Apparently the fundamentalists Noah, Abraham, Joseph, David, Elijah, and Jesus’ apostles, among many others mentioned in the Bible, were “sick,” according to Pope Francis.

[xone]

Are the 1 billion+ Hindus doomed to hell?

Is Jesus their Savior? No, otherwise they would be Christians. So absent Christ, doomed to hell.

[xone]

The sacking of Rome was not done by Muslims, eh?"

He doesn't even know his own church history. 1084, Pope Gregory VIII after being replaced by Clement III after failing to recognize Henry IV of Germany as Holy Roman Emperor invited the Normans to get rid of Clement III for Him. The Norman army composition included Muslims who then sacked Rome after driving out the Germans. Gregory VIII moved to Salerno. So yeah Fran the Red Muslims did sack Rome at least once and the Pope invited them. Looks like history will repeat.

[Cvengr]

Obedience is faithfulness.

[Cvengr]

Every human who has ever lived has been condemned. Those who have faith in God through faith in Christ have salvation. Condemnation precedes salvation.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

DANG!

[Cvengr]

"They do evil," said the pope. "I say this because it is my church."

The Pope says this because he suffers the same malady as all humanity (except Jesus Christ). When Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, he now tends to confuse good with God and evil with the Adversary.

He is now tempted to act independently of faith through Christ, to combat evil when he knows evil, and immediately looses fellowship with God when he thinks independently from Christ.