Posted on 10/14/2015 8:11:46 AM PDT by xzins
I recommend the Noachide Laws for disgusted chrstians, and everyone else.
>> The context makes it pretty clear he’s talking about a specific woman (a “so called prophetess.”)
Whether JESUS was referring to a specific woman, by name, in Thyatira, or merely a symbolic one — it’s clear that He is warning all churches, at every point in time and space, against the evil manifested in this (real or symbolic) Jezebel.
That’s made clear when, a couple verses later, He says: “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
It’s not a name Jews would use.
It’s not a name Greek mommas would even dream of...much less know.
And it’s not a name Christian mommas would be proud to tag their daughters with.
SOOOO....it is a descriptive name, perhaps of an individual, but more likely of an attitude. This would explain why a large group gets cast into a bed of suffering.
So? You could say the same about any imperative Jesus stated. He was warning all churches, at every point in time, to beware of "wolves in sheep's clothing." He was warning all of his called out one's, at every point in time, to turn the other cheek. He was advising all churches, at every point in time to "ask and ye shall receive." Most of the bible is a warning and advisement to future generations. That applies to narrative history as well as allegorical poetry or prophecy. If John, in writing Revelation, has intended to mean "the spirit of Jezebel" he would have written that just as referred to the "spirit of antichrist" in 1st John.
see #43.
It’s not beyond reason that there was a woman troubling the church at Thyatira. The Jezebel name, though, had been spoken for already. As had, in the church of Pergamum, the name ‘Balaam’. It represented what Balaam had represented. The same with Jezebel.
Sez who? What evidence do you have that no Jew, Greek or Christian ever named a child Jezebel. I'd like to see that.
Did you name your daughter Jezebel? If not, then why not?
Would you if you could?
In fact, who knows that the parents of this Jezebel at Thyatira was a Greek, Christian or Jew? Perhaps they were from Phoenicia where Ahab’s wife Jezebel was from.
IF it was 80 AD and I was from Phoenicia I may very well have.
Since this isn’t Phoenicia but Turkey (Ionia, approximately), a thoroughly Greek area at the time, then it’s not very likely.
But would YOU name your daughter Jezebel knowing what you know?
Well, Ahab didn't live in Phoenicia but northern Israel, a thoroughly Jewish area at the time, but there he was living with a Phoenician named Jezebel.
"But would YOU name your daughter Jezebel knowing what you know?"
I don't base my exegesis on what names I would use 2000 years later and half a world away. I don't consider it a reliable hermeneutic. It's certainly no reason to disregard the clear face value of the words used in favor of allegorizing the passage into whatever I would prefer the meaning to be.
Nor have you acknowledged that Ahab was busy worshipping Baal, the suffix of Jeze’s name...after her god, of course.
1Ki 21:28-29
(28) And the Word of Jehovah came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
(29) Do you see how Ahab humbles himself before Me? Because he humbles himself before Me, I will not bring the evil in his days. But in his son’s days I will bring the evil on his house.
Did you have a larger point to make?
If so, please just state it; it’s been lost in the fog of debate over the name Jezebel.
1 Kings 22 “19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
I made my only point in my first post. It’s the others who want to argue about names.
That's because it has no relevance to the matter at hand.
Obviously, I disagree. It is pure bible.
Yep.
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