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Refuting Papal Myths — "Peter Was Not a Pope"
Catholic Answers ^ | 9/23/2015 | Trent Horn

Posted on 09/23/2015 2:52:37 AM PDT by ADSUM

Myth #3: Peter was important, but he had no special authority that could be passed on to a successor like the pope.

Peter’s role as “chief apostle” is evident in the fact that he is mentioned more than any other apostle, often speaks for the whole group, and is placed first in every list of the apostles. Since Judas is always listed last, we can deduce that these lists were made in order of importance.

Moreover, Christ made Peter alone the shepherd over his whole flock (see John 21:15-17), and the book of Acts describes Peter’s unparalleled leadership in the early Church. This includes his authority to make a binding, dogmatic declaration at the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15). As the Anglican scholar J.N.D Kelly puts it, “Peter was the undisputed leader of the youthful church” (Oxford Dictionary of the Popes, 1).

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Editors Note: In light of Pope Francis’s visit to the United States, we are continuing a series of posts that answer the most common arguments made against the office of the papacy and the men who have held that office. The first post in the series can be accessed here.

1 posted on 09/23/2015 2:52:37 AM PDT by ADSUM
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Finally, in Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means rock, and said, “You are Peter [rock], and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

This passage is foreshadowed by Isaiah 22:22, which tells of how Israel’s wicked chief steward Shebna was replaced with the righteous Eli’akim. Isaiah 22:22 said Eli’akim would have “the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” Just as King Hezekiah gave Eli’akim authority to oversee the kingdom of Israel, Christ gave Peter authority to oversee his Church (i.e., the “keys to the kingdom”), which included the authority to “bind and loose”—in other words, to determine official doctrine and practice.

In response to these verses, some Protestants claim Peter is not the rock upon whom the Church was built, because 1 Corinthians 10:4 says “the rock was Christ.” Others say the Greek text of Matthew 16:18 shows that while Simon was called petros, the rock the Church will be built on was called petras, thus showing that the Church is not built on Peter. But in 1 Corinthians, Paul is talking about Christ shepherding ancient Israel, not the Church, and in Matthew 16, petros and petras both refer to Peter.

According to John 1:42, Jesus gave Simon the Aramaic name Kepha, which means simply “rock.” But unlike in Aramaic, in Greek the word rock is a feminine noun, so Matthew used the masculine version of rock, or petros, since calling Peter petras would have been on par with calling him Patricia! As Lutheran theologian Oscar Cullman puts it, “petra=Kepha=petros” (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, 98). Even the Protestant Reformer John Calvin said, “There is no difference of meaning, I acknowledge, between the two Greek words petros and petra” (Commentary on Matthew Mark, and Luke, vol. 2).

Finally, if Peter is not the rock upon whom the Church is built, then why did Jesus bother to change Simon’s name in the first place? As Protestant scholar Craig Keener writes in his commentary on Matthew, “[Jesus] plays on Simon’s nickname, ‘Peter,’ which is roughly the English ‘Rocky’: Peter is ‘rocky,’ and on this rock Jesus would build his Church” (426).

But didn’t Peter refer to himself as a “fellow elder” and not as “pope” in 1 Peter 5:1? Yes, but in this passage Peter is demonstrating the humility that he is encouraging other priests to practice. He wrote, “Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another” (5:5), so exalting his status would have contradicted his message.

Besides, St. Paul often referred to himself as a mere deacon (see 1 Corinthians 3:5, 2 Corinthians 11:23) and even said he was “the very least of all the saints” (Eph. 3:8), but that did not take away from his authority as an apostle. Likewise, Peter’s description of himself as an elder does not take away from his authority as being “first” among the apostles (Matt 10:2).

Myth #4: The Bible never says Peter was infallible. In fact, Scripture proves he was very fallible.

The doctrine of papal infallibility teaches that the pope has a special grace from Christ that protects him from leading the Church into error. That grace won’t keep him from sinning (even gravely), nor will it give him the right answer to every issue facing the Church. Instead, it will protect the pope from officially leading the Church into heresy. As a private theologian, the pope might speculate, even incorrectly, about the Faith, but he will never issue a false teaching related to faith or morality that claims to be binding and infallible (or an erroneous ex cathedra teaching).

But why believe the pope is infallible? Matthew 16:18 says the “powers of death” (in other translations “the gates of hell”) will never prevail against the Church, so it makes sense that the pastor of Christ’s Church will never steer it into hell by teaching heresy. Luke 22:31-32 records Jesus telling Peter, “Satan has demanded to sift you all like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” The original Greek in the passage shows that Satan demanded to sift “you all,” or all the apostles, but Jesus prayed only for Peter and his faith not to fail.

Now, it’s true that Christ once called Peter “Satan” for trying to stop the crucifixion (Matt. 16:23), and he knew Peter would later deny him at his trial. But God doesn’t call the perfect—he perfects the called. Christ prayed that once Peter had “turned again” from his sins, he would lead and strengthen the apostles. After his Resurrection, Jesus even appeared to Peter first (1 Cor. 15:5).

Most Protestants would have to admit that Peter was infallible when he wrote 1 and 2 Peter, or at least that those epistles have no errors. Catholics simply take this reasoning to the logical conclusion that Peter never led the Church into error, nor did any of his successors. Some argue that Peter was fallible because St. Paul opposed him in Antioch and said Peter was wrong or “stood condemned” (Gal. 2:11-14). But in this situation Peter, at most, made an error in behavior, not teaching.

Peter feared antagonism from Christians who thought circumcision was necessary for salvation. So, while he was in their presence, Peter declined to eat with the uncircumcised. Paul criticized Peter for doing this, but Paul himself accommodated this same group when he had his disciple Timothy circumcised. Paul did this to make it easier to preach to the Jews (Acts 16:1-3), but Paul called circumcision a grave sin in Galatians 5:2. Therefore, if prudentially yielding to critics doesn’t invalidate St. Paul’s authority, then neither does it invalidate St. Peter’s.

No one denies that some popes engaged in serous sins, but infallibility means only that the pope won’t teach error, not that he will be sinless. Indeed, some Church Fathers, such as St. Cyprian of Carthage, criticized the pope’s decisions; but even Cyprian believed the pope could not lead the Church astray. He writes in A.D. 256 of heretics who dare approach “the throne of Peter . . . to whom faithlessness could have no access” (Epistle 54.14), or, as other translations put it, “from whom no error can flow.”

This post excerpted from Trent Horn’s article “Defending the Papacy.” The full article can be found in this month’s issue of Catholic Answers Magazine, available for digital download here.


2 posted on 09/23/2015 2:53:45 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

more popecorn, please


3 posted on 09/23/2015 2:56:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ADSUM
Editors Note: In light of Pope Francis’s visit to the United States, we are continuing a series of posts that answer the most common arguments made against the office of the papacy

The best argument against the Papacy is Pope Francis! He does all the heavy lifting for us.

4 posted on 09/23/2015 3:17:32 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ADSUM

Bump to read later.


5 posted on 09/23/2015 3:19:15 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: ADSUM

So if the Pope espouses socialism and global warming will Catholics see this as doctrine or personal opinion? Will they forego air conditioning? Will Obama use this Pope’s stance to push redistribution of wealth? This is not an insult to anyone but a concern as there are a huge number of Catholics in the U.S.


6 posted on 09/23/2015 3:29:36 AM PDT by nclaurel
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To: ADSUM

Peter’s role as “chief apostle” is evident in the fact that he is mentioned more than any other apostle, often speaks for the whole group, and is placed first in every list of the apostles. Since Judas is always listed last, we can deduce that these lists were made in order of importance.


Conjecture.


7 posted on 09/23/2015 3:35:17 AM PDT by boycott
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To: ADSUM

Where does Jesus mention the Catholic Church?


8 posted on 09/23/2015 3:45:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nclaurel
The Pope's authority as the final earthly arbitrator on matters of religious/theological dogma does not extend to topics of economic or political or environmental as long as they don't infringe on Christian spirituality

The Pope cannot espouse any particular political-economic point of view -- the Church is neither economically left nor economically right. It asks for us to care about the poor, but that does not mean the government caring about the poor, but you and me caring about them directly, not outsourcing the care (and our tax money) to someone else

With regards to the environment, God did make Adam master of the animals and plants (and by extension environment as a whole), but this is for Adam to care for -- we should not have Victorian London smog, but we shouldn't retreat to a hunter-gatherer life either. Personal not governmental mandated moderation is the key.

The Pope is free to voice any personal opinion he has and due to his position, there will be due respect and weight to listen to him. However, for matters except theological arbitration, one is free to disagree with him

9 posted on 09/23/2015 3:46:26 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: nclaurel

This is the worst Pope in about 300 years.

He is an uneducated man—shockingly uneducated for a Pope—and a dupe of the hard left.

He is unconcerned about the genocide of Christians, about abortion, and about gay marriage. He is a mouthpiece for the U.N, the Democrat party, the pro-abortion “Catholics” in the U.S. and Europe. He hates the Catholic Church.

He is no argument against the Papacy. But he is proof of the last several Popes’ total negligence when it comes to the appointment of bishops and Cardinals. JPII and Benedict appointed too many ambitious, gay, faithless Cardinals on the basis of their fund-raising ability.


10 posted on 09/23/2015 3:48:55 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: nclaurel
With regards to foregoing air-conditioning, I'll talk about me, personally. I use the AC, but not all the time because I'd rather get used to what's out there. However, after a hot day I will come home and switch on the AC for an hour or so. After that, I prefer a fan -- fresh air not dried conditioned air is for me -- I don't like the air in most hotels either, but that's my opinion.

If someone else wants to do something else, that's their choice.

I believe market pressures are already making airconditioners more environmentally friendly and one can use other methods such as water dripping or better architecture for ventilation

Will Obama use -- yes, he may try, but forced redistribution of wealth does not help the poor -- we don't live in landed aristocracy where people can't rise. If we lived in a society where there was NO way for a person to better himself (or herself), then that would be a different situation, but the USA gives ample opportunities for the poor to get rich (and for the rich to get poor) -- redistribution makes no sense in such an egalitarian society as the USA

11 posted on 09/23/2015 3:50:40 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ADSUM

It’s strange that Catholics take as their first Pope the only Apostle Christ ever looked at and called, “Satan.”


12 posted on 09/23/2015 3:51:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ADSUM
Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Greek Petros/Petrus; a piece of rock), and upon this rock (Greek Petra; a mass of rock, meaning Jesus) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Your interpretation of scripture is all wrong. Plus don't forget that just 5 verses later Jesus calls Peter "Satan."

Furthermore, Galatians 2:7-8 says, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

Paul was the apostle to the Gentile nations, whereas Peter was the apostle to the Jewish nation. Also given that Paul never mentioned Peter in his salutation at the end of Romans one has to conclude that Peter never went to Rome.

13 posted on 09/23/2015 4:00:06 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy, Christianity outlawed)
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To: ADSUM

Finally, in Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means rock, and said, “You are Peter [rock], and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.

A reading of the verses prior to this shows that your interpretation is incorrect.

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

The key verse is: “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” This truth is the rock that the Church is built on.

You are Peter (a small rock) and on this rock (bolder, not small rock)I will build my church,

The bolder Christ builds his Church on is, again, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” The “I will give you” part speaks to the Church as a whole, not some man. YMMV


14 posted on 09/23/2015 4:01:16 AM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: ADSUM

Finally, in Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means rock, and said, “You are Peter [rock], and on this rock I will build my church, ....


Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone


The apostles and prophets are foundation with Jesus being the chief corner stone.

Don’t take me wrong. I love Catholics.


15 posted on 09/23/2015 4:03:57 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Kent1957

boulder = bolder


16 posted on 09/23/2015 4:05:31 AM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: Arthur McGowan

He is unconcerned about the genocide of Christians, about abortion, and about gay marriage.


So true.


17 posted on 09/23/2015 4:12:02 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Kent1957

You want to deny the obvious.

Jesus Christ founded the Church (Catholic Church)and Peter and the Apostles with the help of Jesus and the Holy Spirit starting to build the Catholic Church, which was continued by their successors until today, and still continues today.

Certainly as with any growing organization there are issues and problems, but the Catholic Church has stayed faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Even Pope Francis in spite of all the comments about his actions will not change the teachings of Jesus.

You can go with the teachings of Jesus passed down through the Catholic Church or have your own interpretation.


18 posted on 09/23/2015 8:48:24 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ConservativeMind

Yes. Christ also predicted that Peter would deny Christ three times.

In spite of these issues, Peter followed the word of Jesus to Preach and Baptize all nations.

Peter gave his life as martyr for God.


19 posted on 09/23/2015 9:00:00 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ConservativeMind
It’s strange that Catholics take as their first Pope the only Apostle Christ ever looked at and called, “Satan.”

The apostle who denied the Lord 3 times.
The apostle who was rebuked by Paul.

Then there is that whole infallibility thing.

20 posted on 09/23/2015 9:05:12 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (The federal government retards me.)
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