Posted on 09/17/2015 7:55:36 AM PDT by Salvation
From here on out, it will be regarded as just “IMHO” only and simply and since I do not have time to do posting arguments this morning, you have been put on posting ignore. I kindly ask of you not to post to me anymore. Thank-you.
Yes, it is in the Bible.
Thank-you for your sharing and God Bless.
The Mass is an act of public worship. The sacramentary prescribes the prayers and actions of the liturgy and gives the order in which they are to occur. But the intent is not to create a personal masterpiece. The intent is to allow a community to enter into the common worship of the universal Church.
In his book, God Is Near Us, Pope-Emeritus Benedict XVI made this observation about the danger of turning the liturgy into an artifact, instead of a living expression of the worship of God by the faithful:
There is a great danger today of our churches becoming museums and suffering the fate of museums: If they are not locked, they are looted. They are no longer alive. The measure of life in the Church, the measure of her inner openness, will be seen in that she will be able to keep her doors open, because she is a praying Church. I ask you therefore from the heart, let us make a new start at this. Let us again recollect that the Church is always alive, that within her evermore the Lord comes to meet us (p. 90).
Thank-you for your God-given insight. God Bless.
“The Mass is an act of public worship.”
No, even if there are a million in attendance, it is a million separate acts of private worship. Trying to make it “public” cheapens it, imposes on the consciences of the faithful, and interferes with real worship—if it doesn’t prevent real worship altogether.
Just another reason why Mass attendance is way down.
“The sacramentary prescribes the prayers and actions of the liturgy and gives the order in which they are to occur.”
I think you need to look up the word “sacramentary.” Presuming that you meant the GIRM, which actually prescribes the prayers and actions of the liturgy, it has been subject to Satanic influences for many decades.
“The intent is to allow a community to enter into the common worship of the universal Church.”
Sorry, but that is the worst possible sort of Satanic horse-crap. It is a significant part of the toxic Post VatII nonsense that has emptied out Catholic churches. You should reflect that the people who forced that soul-rot on the Church had as their objective the destruction of the Church.
“In his book, God Is Near Us, Pope-Emeritus Benedict XVI made this observation about the danger of turning the liturgy into an artifact, instead of a living expression of the worship of God by the faithful:”
He didn’t mean what you think he meant.
“The measure of life in the Church, the measure of her inner openness, will be seen in that she will be able to keep her doors open, because she is a praying Church.”
As she was before Vat II, the Novus Ordo, and all the rest of the evil that was foisted upon us by “progressives.”
“I ask you therefore from the heart, let us make a new start at this.”
Now what could he have meant by “a new start?” Did he mean “the same thing we have been doing?” Doesn’t seem likely. He meant get rid of all the bad theology, bad liturgy, and protestant goopy-goopy that the forces of evil had snuck or forced into the Church since the 1960s, especially including all these “lay ministries” which exist solely to tempt the faithful to pride.
Historical perspective is everything. It looks to me like yours is limited to the Church corrupt. The Church in the 1950s was as superior to the Church now as America in the 1950s was superior to America now.
“I kindly ask of you not to post to me anymore.”
And I kindly ask you to stop peddling theological leftism.
“The Mass is an act of public worship.”
I certainly disagree with your comments that this is not true.
Perhaps you should refer to the Catholic Catechism.
Jesus is present when the Church prays and sings, for he has promised ‘where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them.’”11 (776, 669, 1373)
1089 “Christ, indeed, always associates the Church with himself in this great work in which God is perfectly glorified and men are sanctified. The Church is his beloved Bride who calls to her Lord and through him offers worship to the eternal Father.”12 (796)
1097 In the liturgy of the New Covenant every liturgical action, especially the celebration of the Eucharist and the sacraments, is an encounter between Christ and the Church. The liturgical assembly derives its unity from the “communion of the Holy Spirit” who gathers the children of God into the one Body of Christ. This assembly transcends racial, cultural, social—indeed, all human affinities.
1098 The assembly should prepare itself to encounter its Lord and to become “a people well disposed.” The preparation of hearts is the joint work of the Holy Spirit and the assembly, especially of its ministers. The grace of the Holy Spirit seeks to awaken faith, conversion of heart, and adherence to the Father’s will. These dispositions are the precondition both for the reception of other graces conferred in the celebration itself and the fruits of new life which the celebration is intended to produce afterward. (1430)
1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:
On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place.
The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.
When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.
Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves... and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.
When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.
Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren.
He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.
When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: ‘Amen.’
When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the “eucharisted” bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.171
You infer that “ that is the worst possible sort of Satanic horse-crap.” Well we certainly are a church of saints and sinners, we are the Body of Christ, and Christ has agreed to protect His Church.
Even if we set aside all that has happened in liturgy and tradition since the year 161, which there is no reason to do, none of that supports your position.
The high divorce rate is a myth, though it is one reason why so many refuse to marry and causes others to divorce because when you’re having some trouble you just know (wrongly) that it will end so quit.
Per Shanti Feldhahn
“And while some of the bad news is accurate (for example, 41% of children are born out of wedlock), many of the most demoralizing beliefs just aren’t true.
While some high risks groups (like those married as teenagers) may have a 50% divorce rate, ... one of the most meaningful statistics is the one I mentioned earlier: 72% of people are still married to their first spouse.
And from: http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-myth-of-the-high-rate-of-divorce/
The commonly quoted numbers are overstated myths, the more accurate numbers reflect complex factors, and that our society really has two very separate divorce rates, a lower rate (by half) for college-educated women who marry after the age of 25 and a much higher rate for poor, primarily minority women who marry before the age of 25 and do not have a college degree.
It is now clear that the divorce rate in first marriages probably peaked at about 40 percent for first marriages around 1980 and has been declining since to about 30 percent in the early 2000s. In short, this means 70% succeed.
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