Posted on 08/06/2015 9:00:25 AM PDT by NYer
Sounds to me like the German bishops are just impatient. This new pope seems to follow the path of the politically correct flash in the pan.
They are Godly! Sometimes aggravating but Godly!
Precisely! Cardinal Marx and his colleagues need excommunication and life in silence in a dungeon, if not more, ummm, permanent treatment: hang, draw and quarter.
The German bishops are the vanguard of Pope Francis' plan to take the "reforms" of Vatican II to the next level (granting doctrinal authority to the individual bishops' conferences). The end result will be doctrinal Balkanization. Like Obama, Pope Francis has communicated openly regarding his plans to undermine traditional structures.
"It is only a short paragraph but it announces significant changes to the papacy as well as decentralization and more power to Bishops’ Conferences. In section 32 of the document published today, Francis refers to the “pastoral conversion” he is asking the Church to undergo and writes: “Since I am called to put into practice what I ask of others, I too must think about a conversion of the papacy.”
“It is my duty, as the Bishop of Rome, to be open to suggestions which can help make the exercise of my ministry more faithful to the meaning which Jesus Christ wished to give it and to the present needs of evangelization,” Francis adds. In the document, the Pope recalls that in the encyclical “Ut unum sint” (1995), John Paul II asked for help in finding “a way of exercising the primacy which, while in no way renouncing what is essential to its mission, is nonetheless open to anew situation.” But, Francis remarks, “we have made little progress in this regard.” “The papacy and the central structures of the universal Church also need to hear the call to pastoral conversion. The Second Vatican Council stated that, like the ancient patriarchal Churches, Episcopal conferences are in a position “to contribute in many and fruitful ways to the concrete realization of the collegial spirit.”
“Yet this desire has not been fully realized, since a juridical status of Episcopal Conferences which would see them as subjects of specific attributions, including genuine doctrinal authority, has not yet been sufficiently elaborated. Excessive centralization, rather than proving helpful, complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach,” the Pope remarks..."
Francis decentralizes the Church: More power to Bishops’ Conferences
The Pope, even if he were minded to, doesn’t of course have the authority do what one is greatly tempted to say ought to be done: every dissenting bishop should be fired and replaced.
Of course he does.
"...If anyone, then, shall say that the Roman Pontiff has the office merely of inspection or direction, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the Universal Church, not only in things which belong to faith and morals, but also in those which relate to the discipline and government of the Church spread throughout the world; or assert that he possesses merely the principal part, and not all the fullness of this supreme power; or that this power which he enjoys is not ordinary and immediate, both over each and all the Churches and over each and all the Pastors and the faithful; let him be anathema..."
FIRST DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
PASTOR AETERNUS
Published In The Fourth Session Of The Holy Ecumenical Council Of The Vatican.
Pius Bishop, Servant Of The Servants Of God, With The Approval Of The Sacred Council, For An Everlasting Remembrance.
The word of God is not ambiguous. To any true Catholic, the truth is clear. It does not matter what eccentrics do. Catholics will stick to their religion. Homosexual marriage is nonsense. Anyone can declare independence from the Vatican but it means nothing to true Catholics. They will not follow.
This is not the time of Henry the Eighth. Even if German Bishops declare independence from the Vatican, the only followers will be people with a homosexual proclivity which scrambles their minds already. True Catholics will remain true. What normal person wants to follow lockstep behind somebody who champions homosexual marriage anyway?
Well, the rot has already spread to Rome, since Marx was picked by Francis to be in his Gang o' Nine and the Pope has praised Kasper's heresies as "doing theology on one's knees".
I didn’t think all the German bishops were dissident learning.
Bishop’s staff called a crozier.
So if the pope wore a suit and tie you would be more inclined to be on board? Seriously, this is Reformation style posturing. There is no resemblance between a man like Pope Francis and a man like Leo X.
As Evelyn Waugh once said: “I think it is a great cheek of the Germans to try and teach the rest of the world anything about religion. They should be in perpetual sackcloth and ashes for all their enormities from Luther to Hitler.” If the Kaspers and the Marxes succeed in destroying the Church and leading her into heresy, one can add them to the list. I suppose not all Germans are bad, however, as we do have our Pope Emeritus and Cardinal Mueller, as well as Archbishop Schneider, although he isn’t from Germany itself.
Sorry, I meant Bishop Schneider. Wishful thinking, I suppose.
The German clerics believe in a “collegial church”, not an Apostolic church. Similar to much of the American Catholics.
http://americamagazine.org/issue/editorial-collegial-church
http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.com/theology/81-theology/427-what-is-collegiality.html
They are de-facto independent just as most U.S. Dioceses are ... the Pope has little authority over them because they would simpy ignore him.
The Great Apostasy ... they’ll be more openly defiant in the future.
“For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”
The churchmen in Germany have been doing plenty of fornicating with the kings of the earth. Just like Boston and CHI and LA.
Romans 11:21 (KJV) “For if God spared not the natural branches , take heed lest he also spare not thee.”
“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.”
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