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Locked on 07/23/2015 5:47:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson, reason:
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Posted on 07/21/2015 4:48:44 PM PDT by Salvation
If they are going to make up a hierarchy of sins, I think they should at least snazz it up a bit. Maybe add a point system, so a little tiny sin only costs 1 point, but a really bad sin is 20 points, something like that. Then people could keep track of their “sin allowance”, and say, rack up 10 points of sins before they have to hit the confessional.
Plus, I could market a SinTracker app and make a nice buck!
Your questions are answered in the article. First of all, Jesus talked about people who sin going to Hell. That's what "mortal sin" IS--the kind of sin that causes people to go to Hell. So, there's "mortal sin" right there in the teaching of Jesus.
About confession:
And then we need to go to confession. This is something Jesus indicated just after he rose from the dead. He came to his disciples, breathed on them, and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained (John 20:22-23)
So Jesus empowered his ministers to forgive or retain sins. In order for a priest to know whether he is to forgive or retain a sin, he needs to know about the sin and whether we have repented of it. That means we need to go and tell him these things, and so we have the sacrament of confession.
See? Both "mortal sin" and "confession" are contained in the teaching of Jesus.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Your a few hundreds years too late. The RCC already has Indulgences.
27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval. 28Then they asked him, What must we do to do the works God requires? 29Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
Sin is sin to God, it’s all evil.
The Catholic Church indeed does have indulgences, but no money is ever exchanged.
1 John 5:16.
When Christ was angered and threw the money changers out of the temple, was He guilty of a sin worth eternal punishment????
I like it!! If you achieve 10 sin points, they’ll downgrade your quartz rosary beads to plastic. And you can no longer pray to Mary and must say “Hail Tiffani” - 15 times.
Well then, Boogieman couldn’t make any money selling something that is being given away could he!
Well, Jim, I tried. I thought I would post a simple piece and see if the non-Catholics could just let it be. It appears that for any sane communication to happen, we will have to post something simple like this as a Catholic Caucus or Catholic/Orthodox Caucus.
It didn’t work. Please lock the thread.
No that was not a sin God alone has the right to punish sin He was doing so
No. He is God and therefore cannot sin. Also, Paul said that one could be angry and not sin. Anger in itself is not a sin. It is how one deals with anger that causes sin.
God has the ability to do anything He wishes, for the rest of us we should pay attention to the words of Jesus in His instructions to the Apostles:
“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. “ Mark 16:16
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. (1Jo 5:17 RSV)It takes two steps for confession.
(1) Forgiveness:
To the eleven, IHS said:
"Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (Joh 20:22-23 RSV)(2)Now how could they know WHAT to forgive, unless they were told? Hence, confession.
I entirely get that this is not a dispositive or conclusive argument. My goal was to answer the question about verses. An argument CAN be made.
Further, what irritates me abiout this article is the ommission of the word "ordinarily." Catholic teachers acknowledge that baptism and "reconciliation" are not absolutely necessary. God can save whom he pleases. He is not restricted to the sacraments he gave us. "He is not a tame Lion."
But, personally, I would say the royal road is recourse to these sacraments.
did you notice that he pointed out murder and adultery....probably more offensive to God than swearing when you hit your thumb with a hammer.
So go ahead, ignore the scene at Pentecost and int he house of Cornelius, it is the ‘in thing’ to do in this epoch.
And the need for baptism is shown when St. Peter flatly tells us: Baptism now saves you (1 Peter 3:21).
Just NO! Reading the whole verse in context is crucial, Jimmy.
“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” (1 Peter 3:21)
When we read that verse in the context of the whole passage we see that Peter is teaching that the fact that eight people were in an ark and went through the whole judgment, and yet were unharmed, is analogous to the Christians experience in salvation by being in (union with) Christ, identified with Christ our “Ark” of salvation.
The baptism Peter speaks of is not water baptism. The Greek word translated “baptism” is more specifically translated “immerse.” Noah didn’t experience Christian baptism, but was immersed in judgment though protected by the ark. Noah and his family didn’t miss the judgment—they were there—but were preserved through it. That’s what happens to believers in Christ. Peter made it especially clear he wasn’t talking about Christian baptism when he said, “Not the removal of dirt from the flesh.” He wasn’t speaking of an earthly ordinance but a spiritual reality, specifically of “an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”.
Forgetting the rest of this piece, much more could be written and said on just this one point. Maybe someone with more time and patience will jump in.
So you admit to a honey trap. Nice.
If you want it to be an open open, be open. If you want to caucus, caucus. But don’t pull this, and claim you are being persecuted.
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