A Catholic Patriotism

Crisis Magazine ^ | May 15, 2015 | JAMES KALB

[NYer]

James Kalb is a lawyer, independent scholar, and Catholic convert who lives in Brooklyn, New York. He is the author of The Tyranny of Liberalism: Understanding and Overcoming Administered Freedom, Inquisitorial Tolerance, and Equality by Command (ISI Books, 2008), and, most recently, Against Inclusiveness: How the Diversity Regime is Flattening America and the West and What to Do About It (Angelico Press, 2013).

[NYer]

Ping!

[9thLife]

American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

[NorthMountain]

It turns out that secularity and pluralism are neither tolerant nor pluralistic. They are governing philosophies, and insist on some things and exclude others. To make matters worse they recognize no principle higher than themselves, so their demands eventually become absolute. All else must give way before them, and in the end no room remains for God

I say again: Socialism is Idolatry.

It sets up Government Almighty to be worshiped, and tossed God (Who made Heaven and Earth) into the dustbin.

[NYer]

American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

What? How about posting a source for that accusation.

[9thLife]

I'm the source. I've been hearing priests disdain "American individualism" from the pulpit since I converted 11 years ago. Rare is the priest who loves America.

I watched Timothy Dolan promote socialized medicine along with many other bishops. There were two, perhaps three who bothered to go on record as saying it was not the church's position to adopt it.

Kennedy Catholics -- influential leftists -- have dominated the hierarchy in America for my entire life.

Every example to the contrary simply proves the rule.

Denial doesn't make something untrue.

[9thLife]

Absolutely hilarious, this righteous indignation at the statement of something so obvious.

[9thLife]

Oh, my, look who just spoke at Georgetown again!

Remember? That was the Catholic university in the nation's capitol that covered a Crucifix for him the last time he was there.

Have you ever heard of Nancy Pelosi? Kathleen Sebelius? Joseph Biden? All American Catholics. Andrew Cuomo? Do you recall how his father brought down the house at Notre Dame a generation ago by proclaiming that one's convictions (that is, character) doesn't count in leadership?

OK, now go do your homework. Prove me wrong.

[Last Dakotan]

I'm the source.

Sooo, the few Priests you've met set the rules for all to follow.

Thank you for bringing us the fallacy of Anecdotal evidence .

Do you have any other fallices you wish to discuss?

[BlackElk]

Maybe in the churches you have attended but not the ones I have attended.

Move to Rockford, Illinois. Attend St. Mary's Oratory which has the Tridentine Mass and nothing but. You will find no anti-Americanism. You will also find little American cheerleading. We attend, as Catholics, to worship the one true God: Father, Son and Holy Ghost and to have the Faith explained eloquently by our pastor against a background of traditional Church music of Mozart, Palestrina, Casale and many others provided by a well-rehearsed choir under a truly talented music director.

What's more, there are numerous Novus Ordo parishes where that rubric is as well demonstrated as it can be and the preaching is superb and quite Catholic as well. St. Patrick, St. James, St. Peter Cathedral, and others.

If you cannot move to Rockford, find a parish less objectionable where you are. If you are, in fact, Catholic in your beliefs, then your eternal life and the ultimate disposition of your soul should be far more important to you than any secular considerations. This life is transitory. Heaven or hell are forever.

I and my family moved here from Connecticut 15 years ago and we will never look back. Just the available clergy in this diocese and the dozens of seminarians on the way are justification enough.

There are numbers of Knights of Columbus Councils to choose from. The K of C and particularly is Fourth Degree are ever patriotic and publicly so.

So I would correct your sentence by adding the word "Some" at the beginning: Some American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America. Likewise, some in most denominations have been so taught.

God bless you and yours!

[dila813]

What ever happened to the separation of Church and State that Democrats were always harping on. They didn’t even want God to be said in anything remotely connected to the Government.

Now they are all getting nice and friendly to the Pope.

Doesn’t everyone think this is interesting?

[sean327]

How far up your azz did you have to reach for that comment?

[9thLife]

How thoughtful, insightful and intelligent a remark. You might qualify for the poster boy of your generation.

[9thLife]

Not up for discussing anything, fallices or other, with someone who’s mind is thimble being filled through a pinhole.

[pbear8]

I second what BlackElk said, if you want to worship God and not hear silliness, try Latin Mass. The transcendent beauty may remind you of how fleeting are the things of this world. And please pray for our anti-catholic church ‘members’, God can change their hearts and minds.

[al_c]

American Catholics have been taught for two generations to hate America.

Wrong! The media has been the one doing that, not the Church.

[9thLife]

I’m sorry, I beg to differ.

[9thLife]

Latin Mass at Our Savior was tremendous.

[al_c]

Then perhaps you should find a better parish.

[verga]

East Coast Northern and Left coast, do not speak for the rest of us. Might be a good idea to do your homework and not rely on anecdotal evidence.