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The Church Prior to the Reformation: The Mass
triablogue ^ | October 21, 2013 | John Bugay

Posted on 05/11/2015 12:53:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: stonehouse01; MamaB; Iscool
How about those killed for the mass?

Die for a ritual, die for a tradition... Sad

61 posted on 05/12/2015 8:36:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Oscar Romero was shot while he was saying Mass. He will soon be a saint.


62 posted on 05/12/2015 8:41:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MamaB

The RCC issued decrees that prohibited ownership of translations which it considered incorrect. It find no RCC decree or recommendation that possession of an unapproved bible be met with death. The only person I can find who was executed for distributing banned bibles was Tyndale, again in England, and again where “heresy” was the excuse but the reason he died was crossing the monarchy.

Otherwise I find nothing other than blogs referring to the RCC putting people to death for bible ownership and none reference anything to back up these claims.


63 posted on 05/12/2015 9:41:08 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: boatbums
It's a fair point you raise. As I glanced through each posting, I looked to see if its thesis depended on showing the Catholic Church in error, which I believe each of the ones in the list does. Would you characterize these postings as predominantly based upon opposition to the Catholic Church?

I engage in religious discussion, and I might on occasion point out the errors of Protestantism, but my overarching purpose is to share the truths, and glories, of Christianity. I don't need to discuss Catholicism always in relation to Protestantism - I would consider that in bad form, provocative, and a misapplied focus on the negative, and not in any way to say that apologetics is not important, and indeed a way to fully understand one's own beliefs.

As far as Catholics doing this, I am not so sensitive to this, just as none of us are as sensitive to name-calling to others' mothers as we are to our own. But if you have evidence, I would like to see if there is a Catholic counterpart to the poster here we are discussing.

And as far as not reading things that disturb: don't get me wrong, I welcome debate. As I scroll FR for the stories that interest me, as we all do, I simply notice the ones that continually jump out as anti-Catholic. Over time I have seen the pattern, and so have drawn some attention to this. I wonder that one denomination is singled out for relentless attack, like FR is a high-stakes missionary field. And at root, we on FR share common values in politics, culture, and for the most part in Christianity, so I think it important to bring attention to the ties that bind.
64 posted on 05/12/2015 10:05:36 AM PDT by jobim
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To: RnMomof7

What does posting this Sundays Mass have to do with indulgences?

Answer... NOTHING!

Only someone who knows nothing of either the Mass or indulgences would attempt to conflate them.

For the Greater Glory of God


65 posted on 05/12/2015 10:39:10 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: boatbums

The isn’t a faithful Catholic alive who wouldn’t consider thise posts to be anti-Catholic.

Regarding anti-catholic posts, possibly a look in the mirror....

AMDG


66 posted on 05/12/2015 10:45:01 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: RnMomof7

I did a search and found absolutely nothing about that. I find that very odd because I usually find pages of sites. Someone asked about Cromwell. If I remember my history correctly, he did nothing to stop a massacre of over 3000 Catholics in Ireland. He did welcome the Jews back to England. The Protestants and Catholics are still fighting over that battle and it happened centuries ago. Not very Christian of either side.


67 posted on 05/12/2015 11:10:01 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: boatbums

Y’all have done a wonderful job, too. I have learned so much. There are many differences


68 posted on 05/12/2015 11:16:50 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Zuriel

“That might be my OPIOS, but it’s a lot closer than your OPIOS.”

Therein lies the protestant heresy - that somehow your and Luther’s interpretation of Scripture is closer, better, truer, more real than the Roman Catholic Church of two millenia.

It was because of that Luther was excommunicated from the Church and was made anathema.

There is only One Truth, not a lot of little protestant truthes, with everyone interpreting Scripture as they please.

God is not amused with all the little protestsnts with their own individual ‘divinely inspired’ ideas on what scripture means.

For the Greater Glory of God


69 posted on 05/12/2015 6:03:19 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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**Therein lies the protestant heresy - that somehow your and Luther’s interpretation of Scripture is closer, better, truer, more real than the Roman Catholic Church of two millenia.**

That’s not an answer to what I posted, or to what the ORIGINAL apostles taught.

What your early church age spinoff has been teaching is not what the apostles taught. Paul warned of such spinoffs in his day.

What is the power of the literal bread and wine, that you claim gives eternal life? If it has that power, why the repetition? One time doesn’t have the power to get the job done? Paul says that is is done in remembrance of the Lord’s death.

Your organization says it gives eternal life. But, if it has no such power, then your organization’s ritual is vain.

As I said, if it was to be taken literally for eternal life, then Peter would have placed it smack in the middle of his commands found in Acts 2:38, and he would have made sure the Samaritians were told they needed it for conversion. Ditto for the household of Cornelius.

Your church’s interpretations came later.

**For the Greater Glory of God**

Indeed! Blessed be his Holy name!


70 posted on 05/12/2015 7:12:35 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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“If it has that power, why the repetition?”

I try to attend mass and receive the Eucharist daily when possible.

Why?

1) Because I can receive the Lord into my mouth.

2) Because the Lord commanded me to. When He said “ Do this in memory of Me” the “Do” in original Greek text is properly translated as ‘do it and don’t stop’ or ‘do it until I tell you to stop’. So I am just following his command.

3) Because it is the center of my Catholic faith. In about 165 AD Justin Martyr’s First Apology described the same mass and Eucharist we celebrate to this very day.

4) some protestants receive the Eucharist others don’t - what makes your personal interpretation better than what the Catholic Church have done since the apostles showed us how?

Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam


71 posted on 05/12/2015 9:22:40 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98

**I try to attend mass and receive the Eucharist daily when possible.**

Thereby proving to me that you don’t believe that there is eternal life in one ‘serving’.

**2) Because the Lord commanded me to. When He said “ Do this in memory of Me” the “Do” in original Greek text is properly translated as ‘do it and don’t stop’ or ‘do it until I tell you to stop’. So I am just following his command.**

In the same passage, Jesus said that it is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing. Paul taught that we are to be filled with the Spirit, so that we don’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

**3) Because it is the center of my Catholic faith. In about 165 AD Justin Martyr’s First Apology described the same mass and Eucharist we celebrate to this very day.**

I trust the Word of God, and that it has remained doctrinally correct. Any other writings have to be considered as possibly ‘revised’ (a little or even a lot) through the years.

**since the apostles showed us how?**

The apostles DID show us how. Your church has simply added to their teachings (a lot!).

**Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam**

Adding to the Word is not a good way to give greater glory to God.

The same Lord that taught the ‘Lord’s supper’, also said: “Strait is the gate and narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.”

God bless


72 posted on 05/13/2015 3:01:36 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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