Posted on 05/08/2015 3:01:54 AM PDT by rwa265
Remember that Gabriel told Mary that the Holy Spirit would come over her.
Note nowhere here did the Scriptures to say to love Mary as God and to server her "faithfully".
Article...”Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.”...
With that twisted thinking it is no wonder everything else gets twisted as well. All that statement proves is a lack of understanding who God is...and equally as much who Jesus is.
Right. Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Your post claiming "No; God commands our Love only: " is obviously false
PS, this post is such a jump ball.
Article...”Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.”...
With that twisted thinking it is no wonder everything else gets twisted as well. All that statement proves is a lack of understanding who God is...and equally as much who Jesus is.
Regarding the rest of the statement. “There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ.”
Could you explain what is twisted about this “logical syllogism” and what is the way out of it?
....”Could you explain what is twisted about this “logical syllogism” and what is the way out of it?”....
This syllogism may seem logical to catholics, but the conclusion is superficial. Consider the following...
First,.... although the Bible documents that Mary became the mother of Jesus and clearly teaches that Jesus is God, it never states, or even implies, that Mary was (or is) the “Mother of God.”....... For a theological syllogism to explain correctly the relationship between Mary and God, it must be based on biblical truth......
... We can propose correctly that:...
(1) Jesus is God (Hebrews 1:8)
(2) God became flesh (John 1:1,14)
(3) Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh (Romans 9:5), i.e., Jesus’ physical body.
Second,..... we should keep in mind that Deity is not constituted by a literal family—with fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters—like some of the gods of Greek and Roman mythology...... Although we refer to the first and second Persons of the Godhead as the Father and the Son, these titles do not denote a literal familial bond, but emphasize Their united and divine nature.
To refer to Mary as the “Mother of God” is to misunderstand the nature of Deity and misapply Scripture.
Third,...... consider the consequences which develop from such an inappropriate use of the syllogism aforementioned....... Since the Bible records that Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18), Catholics conclude that it is correct to refer to Mary as “the daughter of God the Father, Mother of Jesus Christ, and true spouse of the Holy Spirit” (Peffley, n.d., p. 3)........ If the Holy Spirit is Mary’s “husband” (and, therefore, Jesus’ “father”), and Jesus is God, would not the Holy Spirit be the “father” of God?
This is not only a completely erroneous application of Scripture, but also blasphemous theology.
Additionally.....The Son’s existence did not begin with His conception in Mary’s womb..... He was alive in eternity ( Micah 5:2), and, at the right time in history, He became flesh (John 1:1,14). .......Paul put it this way:.... “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law” (Galatians 4:4).
On the other hand, Mary came into a time-bound world long after the creation of the Universe. She, like all human beings, was not eternal. She was not divine, not “from everlasting to everlasting” (Micah 5:2). She could not have provided an eternal nature to her Son. He is Deity. He is the “eternally blessed God” (Romans 9:5).
There is not a single verse in the Bible that describes Mary as the “Mother of God.” In fact, none of the inspired writers of either the Old or New Testament gave even a hint that she should be regarded as such. This idea is based purely on human tradition. Mary considered herself as a “maidservant of the Lord” (Luke 1:38) and considered God as her “Savior” (Luke 1:47). ........Sadly, many have distorted this concept.
Furthermore.......if Mary is to be worshipped as the “Mother of God,” we should expect to find a biblical command to do so, or a biblical example of approved action..... However, such commands and examples are nowhere to be found...... From the first moment Mary appears in the biblical record, there is no indication of her being the object of worship of any kind. When God’s angel announced to Mary that she would give birth to the Messiah, the heavenly messenger did not worship her (Luke 1:26-38). The shepherds, who came to the stable, praised God—not Mary—for what they had witnessed (Luke 2:16-20). Later, the wise men came to a house and “saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11) not Mary. Simeon and Anna, who had waited their entire lives for the Messiah, recognized Jesus as the One sent by God. They did not offer any special acknowledgement or praise to Mary (Luke 2:21-38). Additionally, Jesus’ disciples never gave Mary any preeminence during their gatherings, much less worshipped her as the “Mother of God” ( Acts 1:14-26). (http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=2670)
No semantics, please; “command” is used in the same sense as a work of art “commanding” our attention. She “commands” our love because she is our mother.
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Blasphemy!
If you like it, you’ll love hot, dry, sulfurous weather forever!
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Yes, it is indeed prophetic.
No Obfuscating. It is commanding.
It's the Catechism of the Catholic church that does that.
From the Catechism of the Catholic church....
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm
969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510
Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.
Jesus
Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1
Counselor - Isaiah 9:6
Advocate - 1 John 2:1
Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24
Holy Spirit
Comforter - John 14:26
Helper – John 14:16
Sorry. Didn’t realize fundamentalist was insulting. Interesting.
Don’t tell me that ... go back to the first couple of centuries A.D. and tell the heretics.
How can it be 'excellant' when it FAILS to point out the phrase is NOT found in the Bible?
How can it be ‘excellant’ when it FAILS to point out the phrase is NOT found in the Bible?
It clearly explains Catholic teaching on the subject. After I posted the article, I found an excellent explanation of John Calvin’s views on Mary from Wikipedia.
Calvin shows how it can be said that Mary is not the mother of God in a way that is in accord with the unity of person in the two natures of Jesus and acknowledges that Mary was the mother of the Lord in the person of Jesus Christ, although in a very limited way.
Fundamentalists are sometimes horrified when the Virgin Mary is referred to as the Mother of God.
Catholics are usually horrified when the Virgin Mary is referred to as the someone who actually had sexual experiences later in life.
Which is very verbose.
Isn't Jesus was born of Mary ENOUGH?
Why all the rigmarole about Mary all the time.
Teach JESUS!
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