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If You Want to Destroy Your Church, Follow Liberals’ Advice
National Review ^ | 05/06/2015 | David French

Posted on 05/06/2015 9:06:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: church; liberalism
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1 posted on 05/06/2015 9:06:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We have all the signs of the Last Times. One of them is The Great Falling Away.

And then The End shall come to His Story.

Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!


2 posted on 05/06/2015 9:11:25 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

the Churches are looking more like the world. That’s why I am careful what Church I set my foot into.


3 posted on 05/06/2015 9:23:16 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: SeekAndFind
but change the ancient beliefs

No way.

4 posted on 05/06/2015 9:31:14 AM PDT by GeronL (Clearly Cruz 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

:: but only after decades of spectacular growth ::

Based on who’s standard?


5 posted on 05/06/2015 9:33:11 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

ooops...

whose standard


6 posted on 05/06/2015 9:33:37 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Ms. Evans critiques hashtag campaigns, young-adult groups with names like “Prime” and “Vertical,” and concert-style worship services. She mocks talk of “market share” and “branding,” and in so doing sounds every bit as traditionalist as those who despise the praise choruses of the typical Evangelical megachurch and long for the simple “old-time religion” of their grandparents."

They use some of this in my and sometimes I do wonder about it and long for a bit of “old-time religion” of my grandparents, but then in service I look around and I see the young people with their tatoos and piercings raising their hands in praise of God and I am reminded this is their time. These are the parents of the next generation if they are Godly and believers then there is an excellent chance that their children with be as well. The church dies without new blood, How many churches have you seen that in their piety they fail to reach out a make believers out of young people and as their members age the congregation dies off with no new blood coming in to carry on the work.

Even the most conservative of today's churches would seem very liberal if you were to compare them to the churches of 100, 50 even 25 years ago. My pastor tells the story of how in his first church he and the music director decided to put up TV monitors so the words to the Praise and Worship songs could be displayed for the congregation to follow. It was as cheap or cheaper than new hymnals and new songs could be added to the service at anytime. But he actually had a small group of members quit because he had brought in TV' the Devils tools into the church!

The other thing that I find troubling is the how the term Mega Church has become so derogatory even among Christians. If the Church is preaching the word and not 'Fluff and Puff' then I would hope that it is packing them in! Well I like a small church some say, so what are you going to do put a limit on attendance? Stand outside and when your chosen threshold is met stop anyone else from coming in and lock the door? Or when one more person starts attending your church then you deem right quit and mover to another? I wonder if these types if they had lived in the time of Jesus would have put up a rope barer to limit attendance to the Sermon on the Mount?
7 posted on 05/06/2015 9:36:08 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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I agree. My church has over 15K members. Our head pastor remains humble, but he is truly amazing and could easily move on to a bigger church in a bigger city.
I like that they have thousands of members with all sorts of young members, it gives me hope that all is not lost in this country.


8 posted on 05/06/2015 9:52:52 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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I posted the link to this song and I remember hearing from FReepers saying how seeing these young people worshiping the Lord gave them HOPE!

Jesus I Come (Acoustic Version)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Af0DqZrSw


9 posted on 05/06/2015 9:59:18 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: No_More_Harkin; SeekAndFind

My Pastor Preaches that every empty seat is a lost soul. So when you go to church Sunday look around and see how many empty Lost Soul seats there are.


10 posted on 05/06/2015 10:02:19 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: SeekAndFind

If one wants to destroy anything and/or everything, just look to government. And that includes both sides of the aisle. Democrats and liberals just do it faster, but cannot do it alone. The Republicans talk restraint but are enablers.


11 posted on 05/06/2015 10:09:30 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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The other thing that I find troubling is the how the term Mega Church has become so derogatory even among Christians.

Most people don't associate the term 'MegaChurch' with the size of a church, but more along the lines of 'big church with leading church-dude who gets rich off all the people'. Megachurches are almost never too traditional, and I don't know of any that actually perform a proper Mass, or anything close to it. Of course, most proper churches don't funnel money only to the dude in charge, they go to the church itself or the wider church body.
12 posted on 05/06/2015 10:13:08 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To me, Mega Church, means a large and impersonable church. A place where one is lost in the crowd and thus a sense of not being cared for as an individual. I understand that some Mega Churches have “small groups” of one type or another to make sure that individuals are known and cared for, and here I am talking primarily about spiritual needs.

Of course I grew up in a small church of a couple hundred members and am a member of one that size now. I guess I think of a church as a place, “where everyone knows your name.” (And I never watched Cheers.)

And I agree with your statement: “If the Church is preaching the word and not ‘Fluff and Puff’ then I would hope that it is packing them in!”


13 posted on 05/06/2015 10:14:51 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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I guess I am not as interested in knowing everyone (Though I do know a good number) as much as I want when the day comes and I cry out Lord, Lord that he will know and recognize me.


14 posted on 05/06/2015 10:42:35 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping and your comments. I agree that quantity and quality are often opposed in terms of spiritual needs.


15 posted on 05/06/2015 10:59:52 AM PDT by zot
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To: SeekAndFind

If You Want to Destroy Your < fill in the blank >, Follow Liberals’ Advice


16 posted on 05/06/2015 11:01:23 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Kartographer

You are most correct in wanting “I cry out Lord, Lord that he will know and recognize me.”

My reaction is to, during my time in the Army of seeking out a congregation to associate with and discovering that they did NOT welcome strangers into their midst. Imagine, attending a church for several Sundays in a row and not a single person acknowledges your presence. That is where I’m coming from, everyone doesn’t have to know me or I everyone, but to not even be offered the ‘gift of Christian friendship’.....


17 posted on 05/06/2015 11:11:33 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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With all due respect (I mean that), I would offer some counterpoints to your comments.

The other thing that I find troubling is the how the term Mega Church has become so derogatory even among Christians. If the Church is preaching the word and not 'Fluff and Puff' then I would hope that it is packing them in!

I know that you have applied the appropriate "if" to your comment, to which I agree.

However, "Most" of the derogatory comments I have heard and read about Mega Churches ARE about the content (or perceived lack thereof) in the sermons/preaching/etc. However, if a Mega Church is preaching the Gospel Truth, more power (and people) to them.

Well I like a small church some say, so what are you going to do put a limit on attendance? Stand outside and when your chosen threshold is met stop anyone else from coming in and lock the door? Or when one more person starts attending your church then you deem right quit and mover to another? I wonder if these types if they had lived in the time of Jesus would have put up a rope barer to limit attendance to the Sermon on the Mount? I personally, do like a small church. But I would never imagine my desire would lead me to take any of the actions you propose.

I can't speak to anywhere else, but here in Southern Mississippi, there must be at least a gazillion small Southern Baptist Churches, so any single church locking anyone out or using rope barriers doesn't seem to be a likely scenario.

As to moving to another church, if the one you attend has grown beyond what you are comfortable with, and that fact is impeding YOUR focus on, and walk with the LORD, then I fail to see how that is treating anyone else (who wants to attend your current church) negatively.

There might also be other reasons that some folks don't want to be part of a "large" church. My wife's parents (years ago) attended a small church at which the Pastor, the Deacons, and some "key" members decided that the church needed to "grow" and "expand". As it turned out that meant that Her parents and every other member were supposed to mortgage their home to provide the necessary funds for that grand vision of growth. They didn't feel that what was being proposed was for anything other than the self-aggrandizement of the Pastor, Deacons and the "key" members, so they declined and subsequently left that church because of the continuing pressure they were getting.

Sadly, their experience was so bitter that they left, but never sought out another church to attend and support GOD's work at.

May GOD bless you and yours on this beautiful day He made for us.

18 posted on 05/06/2015 11:16:44 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Kartographer
As a German I have certain expectation on how music should be played.
19 posted on 05/06/2015 11:20:51 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: SeekAndFind
We want to be known for what we stand for, not what we are against.

OK, easy enough.

I am against abortion!

I am for the protection of life in the uterus.

20 posted on 05/06/2015 11:22:59 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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