Posted on 04/25/2015 10:33:08 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Thank you. The writer challenges the authority of the Catholic Church. And in so doing, sets up his own article as authoritative.
“Liberal” Catholics don’t have the right views in his opinion.
“Conservative” Catholics don’t have the right views in his opinion.
And the “third type” are off as well.
The only thing that is “right on the money”, in his opinion, is what he writes in this article.
Relativists just don’t get it.
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."
~ Martin Luther
Axiological Lesson For The Day :-)
There are two branches of axiology, ethics and aesthetics. Ethics is right and wrong ("charity is right, stealing is wrong"); aesthetics is like and dislike ("I like club soda, I dislike Mountain Dew").
One of the hazards of having a society where all religion is voluntary and all religious institutions have to go out for business is that there is often a conflation of the ethical and the aesthetic.
On the laity side, people often choose churches on the basis of aesthetics, what the sanctuary looks like, what music is in the service, the level of liturgical folderol (to use a WFTD from this week :> ). This is because the congregant is going to believe that s/he wants to believe--at best, because s/he is led by God to believe, at worst because s/he wants to believe what s/he wants to believe.
On the clerical side, this creates a dilemma: what compromises for the sake of marketing are aesthetic and adiaphora, and what compromises would be ethical and leading to heterodoxy or heresy. There is, e.g., a huge difference between a church deciding to compromise with society and allow altar girls, or whether to compromise with society and support Planned Parenthood. A church that compromises with society on Planned Parenthood does not deserve to be called Christian, regardless of what other label it carries. But whether a church has only altar boys, or allows altar girls, or only the clergy, or maybe even decides not to have an altar--though I'm willing to quibble on that one--that is the type of question where the dilemma of American voluntary churches arises.
Ah.. so what happens at Notre Dame is right twice a day..
Probably accurate..
As a 1969 graduate of St. Joseph’s College of Indiana, and a Protestant, I can see how Mr. Walls would write this, ten years after Vatican II. Vatican II created “a great disturbance in the force” of Roman Catholicism. That was just beginning when I was at St. Joe. Most of the Catholic students there would have fallen into his category 1 and perhaps some into his category 3, but they were faithful to their faith, although they had some “Protestant-like” reservations.
Category 2 liberals whom Mr. Walls saw, I did not see, of course the total “sea change” by both Vatican II and also the rise of liberation theology (communist inspired and planted into South America) was evident in 1978. The liberation theology was also evident in 1968 amongst the Maryknoll priests in South America.
Of course most of my friends were in the History and Education programs, the theater program and also many seminarians. I worked on campus during the summers to help pay my tuition, thus got to know the seminarians then. A good group of fellows, who were serious about their faith.
Oh, hey -- look everybody!!! Nearly ALL of the Catholic straw men together in one place! Come look quick!
Let's see here....
Preachers that handle snakes. Hmm. Exactly how does this fit? I don't handle snakes. I do believe in the word of God though. So why not tell me a little about what you believe... do you believe CCC 841? It states Catholics and Muslims believe in the same "merciful God." So do you believe in the same "God" as Muslims? If you're a properly catechized Catholic you're supposed to. Do you?
What does Bill Clinton have to do with anything? Didn't realize he was some sort of theologian. However, I did know a lot of Catholic Cultists in college that thought you could perform/receive fellatio and then go to confession and be absolved. So how does that fit? Those folks were, according to their statements to me "Devout Catholics."
As for the contempt for Christ's Church... well, if you mean Christ's Church to be all of those elected, called and saved, well, no one in that group holds contempt for itself (me included); however if you're making reference to the false assertion that the Roman Catholic Cult is "Christ's Church" -- well, I DO hold that falsehood in contempt... because it is false.
Hoss
Well said to your post 14.
Yup. Like CCC 841 that teaches Catholics believe in the same "god" as Muslims. Sounds like really sound teaching to me,
Hoss
So they still sell indulgences?
The Holy Spirit through Paul. He trumps Luther all day long.
It's undoubtedly true. That's one reason so many nominal Catholics are pro-contraception, pro-gay-marriage, pro divorce/remarriage, etc. Living like other Americans, voting like other Americans (within a 2% margin plus or minus), reading Scripture by their own lights and doing what they think best.
Are you one of those “personally offended” making it personal about yourself?
You mean they don’t submit their “will and intellect” to the magisterium like they are required to do to be good Catholics?
Precisely, CB. You get the gold star for today.
Isnt here a scene from Monty Python where 20 crusaders are about to be wiped out by a horde of Muslims. A fight breaks on between a Dominican and a Franciscan monk.
Free will No predestination they yell as they roll on the ground choking each other.
As this fight breaks out the horde on the hill starts charging.
This reminds me of that.
Clerics worry too much about propriety and what time is for tea.
I prefer they be released from their obligations to me and mine.
Clerics need to get a real job.
It never uses the term "the same god," sorry. That's you're interpretation.
He seems to be saying that the theology of the reformation is all about picking and choosing, disobedience to the faith one professes (and continues to profess), and conforming to the spirit of the age and the spirit of the world.
If I were I Protestant, I would find this article ... rather insulting.
Huh?
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