Posted on 03/31/2015 8:25:14 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Me too
ah, there are two Israel’s in the Scriptures.
the Israel of the old covenant was Israel after the flesh, national Israel. this Israel was a type of the true Israel.
the kingdom was taken from this Israel due to unbelief and given to a new nation.
the Israel of the new covenant is the true Israel of God, the new nation that has been given the kingdom. this Israel is based not on flesh, but on faith. Jesus Christ is the Israel of God, the promised descendant of father Abraham, so anyone in Christ is a true heir to the promises made to Abraham. the true Israel is comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, who are made one in the Body of Christ.
national Israel will no longer bear fruit, it is the spiritual Israel that all the nations of the world will be blessed.
How do you figure that? National Israel is being brought back together ever since 1948
Jesus is concerned with spiritual fruit, i.e. faith.
The fact that Jews have formed a nation they call Israel does not negate the fact that the kingdom was taken from national Israel and given to another nation.
National Israel will never bear fruit again, we look to the new nation to bear fruit.
Do you know what nation it is that bears fruit?
Have you moved back to the land God promised to bring His people back to?
Good article. Thank you.
The scholars should know the historical context, customs and in this case the agricultural and forestry of the time.
When exegesis is used fully, and not partially, the end product is usually solid.
One of the earlier theologians and teachers John Gill was very good at this.
What hubris.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
What did you say about God revoking the promises to Israel?
I am moving to the land described in Hebrews 11:13-16.
it really helps to realize the OT is chocked full of types and shadows pointing to Jesus Christ.
God is concerned with saving souls and reconciling the world to Himself in the Body of His Son, not some plot of dirt in the Middle East.
What did you say about God revoking the promises to Israel
I said zippo about revoking promises.
I said the kingdom was taken from national Israel and given to a new nation.
The kingdom remains open to all who believe and the covenant made with Abraham has not been voided.
This story about the fig tree is most likely Mark's attempt to clarify Jesus' actions in the Temple.
He uses a sandwich technique here and in other areas by placing the initial curse on the tree before Jesus' actions in the Temple and then finding it withered afterwards.
The destruction of the tree is tied to the actions in the Temple and most likely indicates not the rejection of the nation but prophesies the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
So God lied to the Israelites in your view?
Ezekiel 36:24 God is concerned with saving souls and reconciling the world to Himself in the Body of His Son, not some plot of dirt in the Middle East.
Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
Oh but you did. You may not have realized it but you did.
The kingdom remains open to all who believe and the covenant made with Abraham has not been voided
agree with your first point. the kingdom is based on faith, not DNA.
the covenant made with Abraham is fulfilled in Jesus Christ:
and if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29
Jeremiah 30 refers to “my people Isrsel”
hmm, interesting language.
who are God’s people today?
are those with Hebrew DNA “God’s people”?
not according to Peter:
1 Peter 2:9-10
but you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, A HOLY NATION, GOD’S OWN PEOPLE, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were NO PEOPLE, now YOU ARE GOD’S PEOPLE; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Peter is describing those in the true Israel of God, believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I dare say 95% of the people inhabiting the land called Israel with Jewish DNA, utterly reject Jesus Christ as Messiah. these are not God’s people if Peter is to be believed.
I also recommend reading Matthew 21:43 to see Jesus saying the kingdom would be given to the NATION Peter tells us we are.
Which part of "I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it' did you not understand?
Which part of “I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it’ did you not understand
what does it profit a man to “possess” some dirt in the Middle East and then die and spend eternity in hell because you did not believe Jesus Christ is the messiah, sent by the Father?
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
one has to be truly spiritually blind not to realize Ezekiel 36 is describing those who are spiritually regenerated in Christ, born again.
it has absolutely nothing at all to do with unbelievers forming a physical nation in the Middle East.
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