Posted on 03/30/2015 7:11:21 PM PDT by grumpa
It’s pretty clear that after 22:6, the part of the vision given to John of the new heaven and new earth has ended, and that the angel/Jesus is giving him some final words of encouragement, instruction and exhortation (verses 6-21).
I think my pastor is a preterist. I one of his sermons he seem to down play Israel’s need for a homeland or America as being a Christian nation.
Its possible, but just those two items don't guarantee he is a preterist. Many on these forums would hold the same view of the future of Israel, etc. but would shun preterism.
Ask him about it so you know ...
Yes, but that means Christ's words "coming quickly" after that should apply to the new heaven and new earth also.
That's my point.
Yes, if this is the kingdom ... I'm pretty disappointed.
After the visions are over Jesus says, "And behold, I am coming soon." (verse 7) and "Surely I am coming soon." (verse 20). He doesn't say the new heavens and earth are coming soon. In the preterist view, he did come soon after these visions to John-- he came in God's wrath visited upon Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70. In Matthew 16:28, 40 years (a generation) before this occurred, Jesus said to those around him, "Amen, I say to you, that there are men who are standing here who will not taste death until they will see The Son of Man who comes with his Kingdom.” This is exactly what happened. The Lord's coming against the Holy City ended the kingdom as it was manifested in the Old Covenant, and inaugurated the new kingdom of God.
In what book of the Bible would one find Josephus' account ? ...
so much for the facade of Sola Scriptura among Evangelical and Reformed Preterists ...
**so much for the facade of Sola Scriptura among Evangelical and Reformed Preterists ...**
So much for Papists understanding what Sola Scriptura really means!
I suppose it can be understood as authorizing a professor to use slurs to argue for the superiority of his Preterist tradition.
From the above link: Papist is a (usually disparaging) term..(emphasis mine)
Usually? But not always I guess. Besides, some of your faith group here on FR self-identify as Papists on their FR profiles. And then there is the Roman Catholic who identifies himself as the American Papist.
You are remind me of aspiring rappers who freely toss around a certain term, but will shoot a white person for doing the same.
Playing the victim card is hardly appropriate behavior on a conservative website.
So now you write that I remind you of a (black) rapper ...
Is this evangelism by slur ?
In your playing the victim, yes.
++Is this evangelism by slur ?++
No. I am not evangelizing you. We are discussing your slur against a certain group of Evangelical and Reformed Christians, remember?
But just in case that hurts your feelings, I will be happy to evangelize you: Have you accepted Jesus as portraying in Scripture alone as your savior, disavowing all of your miserable deeds?
False, you have used a religious slur word as well as a racial stereotype slur, against me, personally.
But just in case that hurts your feelings, I will be happy to evangelize you: Have you accepted Jesus as portraying in Scripture alone as your savior, disavowing all of your miserable deeds?
It seems to me you are mocking God in an attempt to mock me.
**False, you have used a religious slur word as well as a racial stereotype slur, against me, personally.**
Which was your interpretation, remember? I went on to show you how many Papists embrace the term Papist, remember? And I certainly did not use a racial stereotype slur. I just pointed out that some of your behavior tends to make you look like you are perpetually offended.
**It seems to me you are mocking God in an attempt to mock me.**
OK, I tried. you won’t answer. I will shake the dusty off my sandals.
BKMK
False; I posted a linked definition and you agreed with my post that the term is usually disparaging. You linked to one man's website who uses the term and posted his personal definition to try to justify using it against any other Catholic despite the warning in the dictionaries.
False, you did use a racial stereotype against me personally; it is right in your posts 50 and 53. Note the reference to a black rapper using the N word in 50, and your admission of it in 53.
"You are remind me of aspiring rappers who freely toss around a certain term, but will shoot a white person for doing the same."
++So now you write that I remind you of a (black) rapper ...++ "In your playing the victim, yes."
**It seems to me you are mocking God in an attempt to mock me.** OK, I tried. you won’t answer. I will shake the dusty off my sandals.
Will you now try to curse me like Baalam ?
Wow, we missed the Second Coming ...
The only difference between the preterist position, the JW position, the Seventh Day Adventist position is the year of Jesus supposed return.
Please describe this new Kingdom of Jesus’ that was inaugurated in 70AD. Where is it? What does it look like? What changed in 70AD that reflects the Kingdom of Jesus, the Lord of lords the King of kings?
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