Posted on 03/13/2015 9:05:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8”
Excuse me - The Book of Psalms was not written by people who had surrendered their life to Christ.
They may have known of GOD, but they did not know Jesus.
Psalm of David. Psalm110 The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”
To which Lord was David referring? We find that David did know Christ, albeit perhaps as thru a looking glass but darkly?
Notice David says...”MY LORD”. I submit to you that it was an expression of the confidence of his faith that allowed David to say “MY LORD!”
Matt. 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Christ was not born yet .. so how could David “know Christ”.
Your logic escapes me.
David did have a relationship with GOD, but not Jesus.
Yes, but David’s faith was accounted to him for righteous (meaning right standing with God). David having faith does not mean that David was born again thru the blood of Jesus.
And, remember this - After Jesus ascended into heaven, on the way there, he stopped in “Paradise” and collected all the Saints waiting there for the Messiah; and then he escorted them (the Old Testament Saints) into Heaven.
Sure he was...what do you think his faith was accounted for? By what righteousness was his faith justified by?
The spilled blood of Jesus Christ of course.
You are stuck in chronologically temporal thinking....Christ’s sacrifice and resurrection had ripple effects across time and dimension. God exists in the Now and Christ’s grace brings us all into The Father’s Now.
Jacob was asked by the angel of the Lord he wrestled with..”Why do you want to know my name?” Jacob knew very well in the end who he was wrestling with and at the wedding feast of the lamb we will all know who we were ‘wrestling with’!
Okay, I give up .. you seem content to believe that Jesus knew everyone in the Old Testament.
However, I’m curious why you believe the Pharisees were telling the truth when they said, Jesus was the “son of David”. THAT WAS NOT TRUE. JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD, not David.
Jesus was in David’s lineage, but David was not the father of Jesus. And, I believe it was Mary who was from David’s lineage. We know it couldn’t have been Joseph, because Joseph did not father Jesus.
Of course Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’ day; because Abraham believed in the Messiah, and Abraham was waiting for Jesus to come through Paradise and take Abraham on into Heaven. Guess who else was with Abraham waiting for Jesus? Joseph. What an exciting day that must have been for Joseph to see Jesus walk into Paradise; Wow what an event that must have been.
My advice - get out of Psalms and study the New Testament.
As Christians, we have a better covenant made with better promises, through Jesus death..
Amen
He is also the son of David, the son of Jesse, the star out of Jacob, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The Bible said God knew all of us “FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD”
Christ was involved in the Creation of everything there was!
Christ1:13 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by[f] him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
John8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
If Jesus existed before Abraham, and all things were created by and thru him, then he knew Abraham and as he said...Abraham “saw his day and was glad”! By faith David also saw Christ calling him “My Lord” making a distinction from “THE LORD” as he does in Psalm 110!
Job too, at the end of his travails, also saw the truth...”I will stand on Earth in the latter day and in my flesh(but not this flesh) will I see God”. Job had grasped the essence of what God was doing and realized that he too would share in a glorious resurrection brought about by Christ.
BFL
I understand that in Christ we have a better covenant, but the old testament actually spells out most of the future better covenant that we see explained in in the New Testament! Christ was always zinging the religious experts of his day over how they had missed it using old Testament scriptures to show where they missed it! Paul in explaining the new covenant thru out his letters constantly drew on Old Testament sources. God’s laws were to be written in our hearts with a people created living by the Spirit, not on tablets of stone where they could be frequently misinterpreted. Christ is the alpha and omega...the first and last...he has always been near by!
When one understands that the Old Testament was always about Jesus Christ and that the Hebrew worship practices, laws and customs were simply arch type echos or shadows of the the once, present and future Christ, then the Bible ceases to be simply a book of two parts...one of which we don’t have to think so seriously about and the other we do.
The Bible becomes a whole unified book again with the New Testament that proclaims the triumph of Christ over death and sin , and declares Christ as having fulfilled all the laws aand prophets, while the old Testament provides the truth of what it was and is that Christ actually fulfills.
The death of Jesus Christ was forshadowed by the near sacrifice of Isaac by Abraham. Genesis 22:And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.”
Moriah was a region of hills which constituted present day Jerusalem and it’s highest hill was Golgotha where Jesus was to be crucified. David set up his altar there to offer sacrifice for his sin so that God would halt the plague on the land.
Abraham offering his son Isaac there as sacrifice ties the old Testament with the New testament. God is practically giving away the whole plan right there in Genesis, complete with the “substitute” sacrifice ram tangled in a thicket(Christ with thorns planted on his head). Jehovah Gyreh...God will provide was the new name given the place.
Indeed God did provide a way of escape for all who believe!
Wow, I just love everything you said.
I discovered that Matthew also used Old Testament scriptures when he preached; because the people he was preaching to knew the scriptures; as did John. But similarly, Mark did not, because his ministry was to those who did not know the Old Testament.
Yes, the Bible really is a whole story .. and I can see you’re not a new Christian. However, because a lot of people who come to this site are not Christians, I try to stay in the New Testament; also recommend for new Christians. Later on, you can connect the whole Bible easier, if people have a full understanding of the New Testament.
While I love the Psalms and the Proverbs, I make it clear to new believers, that these people did not have any understanding of Jesus the way we do; they only knew that a Messiah was prophesied.
While in Bible school (3 years), which I loved every minute of, we read a book by James Stalker (who was a pastor in the Free Church in Scotland) called, “The Life of Jesus Christ”. In this book, it tells who the people were during Jesus life (from his infancy) and also what was going on just before Jesus STARTED HIS MINISTRY at thirty. What was stunning to me was the similarity to what is happening around the world today. It made me wonder if this meant that Jesus reappearance was near.
Thanks for your lively discussions.
And while much scripture addresses the first coming, even more scriptures address the second coming. Even old Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar saw this in a dream:
Daniel 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.”
46 Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered that an offering and incense be presented to him. 47 The king said to Daniel, “Surely your God is the God of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, for you were able to reveal this mystery.”
The Psalms = Reality. Job’s friends are ever-present and forever trying to deny it, but Reality keeps breaking through. The Psalms is one place I can revel in Gods glory, might, steadfast love, wrath and indignation (something He feels “every day”).
This week I was wrongly accused. God is witness. My hostility was real and severe, and no amount of “Christian” gobbledygook was gonna change the fact that I wanted JUSTICE! Yes, I cussed and fumed and shadow boxed. No one needed to tell me I was wrong, the Spirit told me, just as he told the Psalmists. Just like them I was talking to God about it the whole time, asking Him to get me to the place of mercy for my ENEMY (and myself).
The Psalmists are acutely aware of their own sin, but still they let it RIP! That is real and the REAL GOD can handle it! There is something satanic in the fake equanimity some pretend is from the Spirit. Who else but Satan would try to get a person in knots then condemn them for crying out?
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