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SBC leader: Baptists, don't let your babies grow up to be Catholics
Bob Allen ^ | 3.6.2015 | Bob Allen

Posted on 03/08/2015 8:37:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

A recent Wall Street Journal story profiling twin brothers who followed separate spiritual paths — one to become an Anglican bishop, the other a Catholic priest — represents failure by the Southern Baptist church in which they were raised, according to Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President Albert Mohler.

Mohler, who posts a daily podcast commenting on current events on his personal website, said March 6 he has no firsthand knowledge of First Baptist Church in Elkin, N.C., home church of the men now in their 40s featured in a March 3 article headlined “When We Leave One Religion for Another: How two brothers, raised Baptist, found their way to two different faiths.” But the story of young seeking answers outside their evangelical upbringing is all too common.

“We are losing far too many evangelical young people as they reach older ages because they are simply not adequately grounded theologically in the Christian faith,” Mohler said. “They may go to vacation Bible school, and they may go to Sunday school, but the question is, are they really grounded in the Christian faith? Are they well-grounded in the beauty of Scripture? Are they well-grounded in a knowledge of the deep theological convictions that define us as Christians?”

According to the Wall Street Journal piece, 43-year-old Brad Jones, a Roman Catholic priest in the Diocese of Charlotte, N.C., and Bishop Chad Jones, rector at St. Barnabas Anglican Church in Dunwoody, Ga., grew up in the Baptist congregation where their parents remain faithful members. Both felt something was missing in the Baptist church, and they embarked on different paths to find it.

 Like many kids, the story says, in their early teen years the boys began questioning things, including the teachings of the Baptist church. Their interest piqued when an older cousin converted to Catholicism and took them to Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church in Greensboro, N.C., when they were about 12 or 13.

The article describes the scene:

“The beauty of the building itself — the vaulted ceilings, marble steps, intricate woodwork, statues and stained glass — the smells of burning incense and the sounds of bells had a mystical quality that is hard to explain, says Father Brad. What struck Bishop Chad was watching the priest standing in front of the altar and elevating the Communion host.

“For them, the Catholic liturgy made the invisible God palpable and tangible to the senses. Their own Baptist church, where the walls are white and flat, the altar austere, and the worship focused largely on Scripture alone, didn’t. ‘We weren’t theologians. We were children. But as children we had open hearts and minds to it and were very receptive,’ says Bishop Chad. He remembers painting a picture of Jesus during vacation Bible school, hanging it on his bedroom wall and wishing his church had pictures.”

Mohler said failure to ground children in Christian doctrine leaves them vulnerable “to be led by their senses” rather than “a theological understanding grounded in the explicit teachings of Scripture.”

“When these two boys, identical twins, were asking deep theological questions, who was there to help them?” Mohler asked. “Who was there to guide them? Who was there as an evangelical thinker, apologist, theologian, friend, pastor and guide to help them to understand these questions?”

Mohler said the article comes as “judgment upon all those who missed the opportunity and failed in the responsibility to ground these young boys as they were then in the Christian faith, in the truth and the beauty of evangelical Christian doctrine, in the theological principles that based upon long biblical consideration and the long argument of the church have meant the differences between the Roman Catholic Church and evangelical Christianity — the differences between the understanding of a Scripture-centered Christianity and one that is centered in the sacraments, as is the Roman Catholic system, and at least much of Anglicanism.”

Mohler said he knows of “no specific failing” by First Baptist Elkin, a congregation affiliated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship of North Carolina with characteristics described on the church website as “worship that is intentional and inclusive,” a “vision of becoming a loving and accepting community of faith” and “a heart for missions.”

“What I do know is this,” Mohler said. “This story appears as judgment and as challenge to every single one of us: as pastors, as parents, as youth leaders, as those who care about the perpetuation of the faith once delivered to the saints. If we do not ground our children in the faith, then they are going to find the answers to their questions elsewhere.”

Mohler contrasted the boys’ two spiritual paths.

“When you look at this news article, we come to understand that the shift of one of these twins to becoming an Anglican is quite a different shift than the one who became a Roman Catholic,” he said. “Becoming an Anglican doesn’t necessarily mean in any sense the denial of the very essentials of the gospel that would be at stake in terms of the official teachings of the Roman Catholic Church — in terms of those Reformation principles that we believe to be at the very heart of the gospel: of justification by faith alone, by grace alone, by the work of Christ alone, knowable by the authority of Scripture alone, and ultimately to the glory of God alone.”

Mohler said occasionally a “well-taught” young person will at some point later in life depart from the faith, “but for those who are not well-taught, it’s not just a possibility, it’s a probability.”

“This is a huge question,” Mohler said. “It’s a haunting question. I raise this article simply because every single evangelical parent needs to take it as a serious challenge, because every single evangelical church has to understand this story is telling us in one sense what we’re up against.

“The story of these two identical twins can be replicated thousands and thousands of times over, and surely will be, if we fail now in the responsibility to raise up the next generation in the faith, to defend the faith once for all delivered to the saints.”


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1 posted on 03/08/2015 8:37:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

While I haven’t said this around these parts in a while, I think a big part of the problem is hiding kids away in youth group rather than bringing them into the full life of the church.

The reasons given are a concern that they need something they can understand. Turns out youthngroups tend to be fun driven, rather than something serious. Young folks leave looking for just that,


2 posted on 03/08/2015 8:40:00 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: Gamecock
And we wonder why Islam is growing and Christianity is shrinking.

(sigh) How long, O, Lord?

3 posted on 03/08/2015 8:47:20 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Gamecock

Meanwhile, Islam advances.


4 posted on 03/08/2015 8:47:59 AM PDT by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Gamecock
I doubt the SBC, or any church, will flourish by searching for "who is to blame" when young people follow a different path of faith, and by disparaging those other pathways.
5 posted on 03/08/2015 8:56:01 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gamecock

Hey if the Baptist catechism isn’t deep enough, the Catholic one is deeper, but the Jewish one is deeper than that. People will ask questions, and the Holy Spirit will lead.


6 posted on 03/08/2015 8:56:14 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: Gamecock

“He remembers ... wishing his church had pictures.”

Kind of says it all, doesn’t it.


7 posted on 03/08/2015 8:56:39 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Gamecock

The Catholic Charities organization is focused on open borders. That should give some pause however the Evangelicals are also tied up in the “interfaith” movement thereby aiding civilizational jihad.


8 posted on 03/08/2015 8:57:27 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Gamecock

Something is wrong with so called Christian churches; i.e. Social Institutions rather than religious, money ‘grubbing,’trying to be trendy, immoral(sodomy advocates), many are baby killers. People are leaving the so called churches in droves. Lastly, there are historical factors these are secular times and people will not have restraints put upon their behavior. People are lost as the people in the article demonstrate-changing religions. Soon they will convert to Islam, Shinto, Tao or whatever.


9 posted on 03/08/2015 9:04:00 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Gamecock

In my opinion, this is a poor title. In fact, it is offensive. ‘Baptists, do a better job so our kids don’t stray’.


10 posted on 03/08/2015 9:08:46 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Gamecock

If those men left the Baptist church for the Anglican Prayer Book and liturgy, or to the Catholic Church with its Mass, I don’t think they did it for entertainment, as you seem to imply. I don’t think anyone seeking entertainment would want to study a catechism and take classes. If they sought entertainment, they would have joined some non-denomiational “evangelical” church that has for its service a Christian rock concert with a sermon thrown in. Some people are happy with what the more radical Reformers left us, others see it as a truncated form of Christianity that has some important parts downplayed or missing.


11 posted on 03/08/2015 9:11:43 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Gamecock

We recently attended my cousin’s son’s baptism at a Baptist church. When we walked in a woman walked over and pointed the way to the nursery. I thanked her and continued on with my husband and our kids. The woman followed, tapped on my shoulder, and told me all kids three and under go to the nursery. Instead of leaving my daughters with strangers my husband stood with them in the vestibule where they behaved like angels. Church lady didn’t like that. Apparently this is the new “thing”, which is terribly sad. They start hiding the kids in nurseries first, then youth groups later. I was raised in a Baptist church and I was expected to sit quietly in church not run around a supervised room; however, in my teen years the youth group became the new “thing.” It was a way to make us feel cool for going to church and therefore bring more sheep to the flock.


12 posted on 03/08/2015 9:13:16 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I doubt the SBC, or any church, will flourish by searching for "who is to blame" when young people follow a different path of faith, and by disparaging those other pathways.

Thank you. I'm Catholic but have learned so much from the wisdom of Baptist writers and preachers. I sometimes feel I follow both paths. The anger between denominations saddens me.
13 posted on 03/08/2015 9:24:21 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Gamecock

“article headlined “When We Leave One Religion for Another: How two brothers, raised Baptist, found their way to two different faiths”

This premise is a lie.

They did not change religion or faith.

They are Christians and never changed.


14 posted on 03/08/2015 9:28:01 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: LostInBayport
The anger between denominations saddens me.

I agree. I've said it before and I'll say it again. "These individuals are arguing about how many pebbles are on the beach and failing to see the beautiful sun on the horizon that is God".

I'm a poor excuse for a Catholic and hope that I'm in good grace when I pass and that the Lord will somehow find me to be worthy to enter his kingdom. I find myself in a trap that the harder I try not to sin, the more things I find wrong with my life and how I live. Push one fault down and then pride, hypocrisy, lust, theft, hatred, disrespect to parent, loss of temper with loved ones and on and on and all I can do is try to do better but fail again everyday.

I can't see how all these people find time to worry about whether others are on the right path or doing the right thing, when I'm so busy trying to keep my family and my boat on the right path.

15 posted on 03/08/2015 9:37:46 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: ifinnegan

That is truly sad that pictures are more important than hearing the Word of God. I can remember going to small country churches as a kid and none had pictures. None were ac and one had a wood heater for heat. We did not mind. People today think their comfort and pictures are important. I often think of my parents as kids going in a wagon to church. My mom use to tell us that by the time they got home from the morning service, it was time to eat, do the farm chores and go back to church. That was true dedication.


16 posted on 03/08/2015 9:37:49 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: ifinnegan

I agree: they followed their own paths to Christ. Implying that they were somehow wrong for picking their own paths is strange, devisive and not Christian.

Remember that Jesus said “love one another as I have loved you”.


17 posted on 03/08/2015 9:44:19 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

No need to apportion blame. What is past is past.

The question is how do you change things to get better results. In fact, the first question is, what results are desired.


18 posted on 03/08/2015 9:51:39 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I didn’t say that, now did I?


19 posted on 03/08/2015 9:51:41 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: Gamecock

i am confused..

is this guy saying that catholics are not christians??

does not that make him a bigot, not unlike the KKK?


20 posted on 03/08/2015 10:06:57 AM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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