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There Is No Pope in Islam
Catholic Stand ^ | March 5, 2015 | JoAnna Wahlund

Posted on 03/05/2015 10:22:56 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 03/05/2015 10:22:56 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/05/2015 10:23:12 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
CO EXIST

We can worry about the morality later.

3 posted on 03/05/2015 10:27:10 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NYer

The Ayatollah’s of Shiia Islam is as close to a Pope as you can ever get.


4 posted on 03/05/2015 10:27:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: NYer

5 posted on 03/05/2015 10:28:45 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

You need to visit the FR Sandbox to learn how to shrink images. Oooohhhh .. my eyes!


6 posted on 03/05/2015 10:30:52 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Absolutely correct. There is no over-riding “authority” in Islam to declare what is valid and what is not.

Also, interpretations of the Koran basically ended in the 10th century. There has been no debate or new “schools of thought” since then (viewed as legitimate anyway) as to Islamic dogma and epistemology.

Moreover, Islam is, and has been fully entwined with governance and politics of the mid-east since its founding. Therefore, it is highly biased politically - in sum, it means whatever the leadership of the country from which an Imam speaks wants it to mean.


7 posted on 03/05/2015 10:31:00 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Gamecock; metmom; RnMomof7; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Mark17; HarleyD
David French, in an article at Patheos.com, writes that there is no “true Islam.” So how can anyone, myself included, definitively say that “Muslims think so-and-so,” or “Islam teaches X and not Y” when it’s all open to individual interpretation? A Muslim can interpret the Qur’an to say that it’s acceptable to kill non-Muslims, or that it’s unacceptable to kill non-Muslims, and there’s no ultimate authority to tell that person, “No, your interpretation is wrong and is not a reflection of true Islamic teaching.”

Catholics will need to answer that for themselves. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. " The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

8 posted on 03/05/2015 10:34:00 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: dangus
"img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/President_Barack_Obama.jpg width=100% /"

LOL, Weaponised Barry! :)

9 posted on 03/05/2015 10:44:51 AM PST by moose07 (The Camels have reached the parking lot. Shields up!)
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To: moose07

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10 posted on 03/05/2015 10:47:46 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: NYer
Islam is a religion of peace and does not promote violence

(1) "Peace", as defined by secular persons is an absence of mass violence in a region with a high degree of personal freedom.

(2) "Peace", as defined by a Christian, is a knowledge that Christ died for our sins and through God's love for mankind we can possibly achieve eternal life in heaven.

(3) "Peace", as defined by a Muslim, is a world where everyone is in a state of submission to Allah. "Islam" means "submission to Allah". The Quran provides both voluntary and non-voluntary means to obtain this submission. Non-voluntary means include violence.

11 posted on 03/05/2015 10:48:46 AM PST by kidd
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To: NYer

There is only one use of the word “jihad” in the Koran. It is what we moderns might term violent jihad.


12 posted on 03/05/2015 10:48:57 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: NYer

13 posted on 03/05/2015 11:07:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NYer

“Weaponized” Obama. I know how to shrink images... there’s a reason he fits nicely into your browser window. Never confuse evil with stupid, NYer. It makes us do mean things, like this:
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OK, funny note. I was going to post a picture of Helen Thomas in a bathing suit. But my OS won’t paste the very long URL. I’m taking that as a reminder from God that I’m not supposed to be evil.


14 posted on 03/05/2015 11:11:54 AM PST by dangus
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To: Gamecock

His mug is almost life size on this display, not a pretty sight. :)


15 posted on 03/05/2015 11:13:39 AM PST by moose07 (The Camels have reached the parking lot. Shields up!)
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To: moose07

Weaponized. That’s what he did to the post of President.


16 posted on 03/05/2015 11:29:42 AM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Alex Murphy

Sorry, Alex: Muslims adore a horrendously distorted notion and tragically incomplete vision of the one, true God. But contrary to claims that “Allah” is some sort of a moon God, it is a semitic word that has meant “god/God” since long before Mohammed came along. Yes, one can use “allah” to refer to a pagan god, just like I just used the word “god” to refer to a pagan god. But the Moon god of Mecca was Sin/Suen, and those pagans of Mecca were not monotheistic, so using “allah” to refer to Sin/Suen outside of Ur or Harran would be contextually improper.

“Why did Mohammed presume that the Arabs already knew who Allah was?”

Had Allah meant Sin/Suen, Mohammed would’ve had to suggest to those outside the Cult of Sin that Allah meant Sin, specifically, especially given that Allah is described in so many ways that contradict the depiction of Sin. But since “Allah” meant “the God,” all Mohammed needed to do was to assert the nature of God. OF COURSE, MOHAMMED’S DESCRIPTION OF GOD IS CONTRARY TO CHRISTIANITY. The same catechism from which paragraph 841 is taken contains many condemnations and descriptions of what it labels “indifferentism,” the notion that it doesn’t matter what doctrine one holds or what sect one belongs to.

Contrary to the common assertion that the Koran doesn’t explain who Allah is, he is repeatedly referred to as “the god of Abraham,” “the god of Mose,” “the god of the Christians,” and so forth.

Names of Allah in the Koran:

“Lord of Heaven and of Earth, God of Mercy”
“God of Mercy” (more than 50 times)
“God of Moses”
“God of the entire universe”
“God of all in Heaven on on Earth”
“God, Lord of the Heavens of Lord of the Earth”

Refutations of Sin from within the Koran:

“There is no God but me.”
“Your God is the one god.”
“Abraham was a leader in religion, obedient only to Allah”
“Thou follow the religion of Abraham, the sound in faith”
(Obviously Muslims believe incorrectly in what the religion of Abraham was, but plainly it was not that of the Moon God.)
“To you he has commanded the faith, which he gave to Noah, which we (the angels) have revealed to thee, and given commands to Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus.”
(Again, there heresy here is obvious; the point is that it is ridiculous to suggest that the Arabs believed Jesus worshipped the moon god.)


17 posted on 03/05/2015 11:49:50 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Sorry, Alex: Muslims adore a horrendously distorted notion and tragically incomplete vision of the one, true God.

Your argument isn't with me - it's with the Catholic Church. Take it up with them.

18 posted on 03/05/2015 11:50:54 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Are you incapable of reading more than one sentence at a time? It’s one thing to take the Catechism out of context; you can at least mislead your sheeple on FR who would never look beyond out-of-context quotes. But you’re laughable when you take a single sentence of mine out of context when the greater context is on the same page!


19 posted on 03/05/2015 11:55:32 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Are you incapable of reading more than one sentence at a time? It’s one thing to take the Catechism out of context; you can at least mislead your sheeple on FR who would never look beyond out-of-context quotes. But you’re laughable when you take a single sentence of mine out of context when the greater context is on the same page!

Are you yourself capable of posting without insults?

20 posted on 03/05/2015 12:09:16 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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