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Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation
Catholic Defense ^ | February 25, 2015

Posted on 02/25/2015 11:50:17 AM PST by NYer

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To: Mark17

41 posted on 02/25/2015 2:06:25 PM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: Alex Murphy
It was the most uncomfortable looking picture I could find!

"Old Rafiki say, 'Look haaaarder."."


42 posted on 02/25/2015 2:10:04 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: NYer

I thought Jesus was a law abiding jew teaching other law abiding jews how to pray and they had no idea about death, burial and resurrection.

Their sins were covered up by sacrificing animals and spilling their blood.

I keep that prayer where it belongs because I realize that prayer was not addressed to us gentile dogs.
We can pray it (I do all the time)even though I know my sins have been forgiven, not because of anything I have done other then hit bottom and ask for help.


43 posted on 02/25/2015 2:11:17 PM PST by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: Alex Murphy

There goes that double standard of yours again.


44 posted on 02/25/2015 2:12:51 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
There goes that double standard of yours again.

I've upped my standards. Now, up yours.

45 posted on 02/25/2015 2:16:16 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Really....exactly how did you “up your standards” when you accused a Catholic of trashing Protestants simply because he/she posted a thread that was pro-Catholic Faith? On the other hand, if a Protestant posted a pro-Protestant thread you would take issue with a Catholic poster calling them anti-Catholic?


46 posted on 02/25/2015 2:21:49 PM PST by piusv
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To: CynicalBear
Best to check with scripture before making comments.

Good advice.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

47 posted on 02/25/2015 3:09:27 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: metmom

The thread is about the Lord’s Prayer.

Do you pray it?


48 posted on 02/25/2015 3:11:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pgyanke
Nice try but you need to read that again. The demons believe that there is one God. Believers believe on one God. Big difference.
49 posted on 02/25/2015 3:13:29 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer

I have often wondered how people get around revelations 20:12 : I saw the dead great and small...and all were judged by what was in the book...each according to his deeds. It seems fairly clear cut. Faith is obviously necessary...but cooperation with that faith translates to deeds...faith without works...


50 posted on 02/25/2015 3:14:57 PM PST by bike800
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To: CynicalBear
They cry “it’s lent” can’t we all just get along then continued posting. It’s an interesting double speak isn’t it.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

I think you know where this is going. 😇

51 posted on 02/25/2015 3:16:32 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: bike800; NYer

So God doesn’t really forgive our sins and never bring them to mind again? He actually brings them all up at the end of time anyway? How does that work?


52 posted on 02/25/2015 3:22:29 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Nice try but you need to read that again. The demons believe that there is one God. Believers believe on one God. Big difference.

Nice straw man. I posted mine in response to your response regarding faith and works. Why don't you deal with that rather than opening up a new line.

53 posted on 02/25/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
>>I posted mine in response to your response regarding faith and works. Why don't you deal with that rather than opening up a new line.<<

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

54 posted on 02/25/2015 3:26:04 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mark17

:-) If it weren’t for double speak.....


55 posted on 02/25/2015 3:26:53 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Dutchboy88

Rome also forgets to tell those in her grip that if they attempt to keep the law, they are responsible for the whole law. And if lawkeepers break even one point, they are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Galatians 5:3— “For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”

James 2:10 — “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

Christ speaks of finding rest for your soul in Him. He said “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. In stark contrast, Rome puts sinners in bondage.


56 posted on 02/25/2015 3:29:38 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: CynicalBear
:-) If it weren’t for double speak.....

You got it bro. 😅

57 posted on 02/25/2015 3:36:29 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: pgyanke

You are now my favorite poster on FR. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Please try to remain humble as ever. :)

Got a ping list when you post? I’m all in if you do.


58 posted on 02/25/2015 3:45:59 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: NYer

Loving it. Keep up the good work.


59 posted on 02/25/2015 3:46:34 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: Salvation

Gotta remember.... Salvation, NYer, Pgyanke....all posters I need to follow.


60 posted on 02/25/2015 3:48:55 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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