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Do We Deserve Heaven? Thinking that I deserve heaven is a sure sign I have no understanding...
Aquilla Report ^ | February 23, 2015 | Sinclair Ferguson

Posted on 02/23/2015 5:15:08 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Poison Pill; taxcontrol
>>How does imperfection come out of perfection?<<

It doesn't.

41 posted on 02/23/2015 8:22:47 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Ken H
Refresh my memory then, was your answer 'yes' or 'no'?

I don't answer questions yes or no based on the demands of others. I gave you the full answer.

So you are saying those departed Asians will receive Justice in the lake of fire.

I am saying that God will judge all righteously at a level that no of us can comprehend. Scripture teaches, as I posted you above, that there are no excuses. People how sin will be punished.

As stated above if you are so worried about those who have not heard the good news maybe you should go share that with them.

42 posted on 02/23/2015 8:23:10 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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To: Poison Pill

One Jewish answer is ‘tzimtzum’.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2047206/jewish/Tsimtsum.htm


43 posted on 02/23/2015 8:24:13 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Poison Pill
The analogy works fine as long as you want the things created to take the blame for the parameters of their creation.

And I don't because I will not shove a round peg into a square hole.

Still no answer.

Yes there was. You weren't satisfied with that. Let's not confuse the two. Rephrase your question based on my answer and I will reply.

Here is the question again; How does perfection give rise to imperfection?

See the above.

44 posted on 02/23/2015 8:25:46 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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To: Ken H; Gamecock; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums
Oh come on. Billions of Asians lived and died as Hindi, Shinto, Confuscian, Buddhist, Ancestor worshippers etc. It's just not credible to read Rev. and say the vast vast majority of those departed Asians are not doomed.

It is your premise that the hearts and souls of a vast majority are doomed. Quite frankly, Christ never commanded His followers to judge the eternal fate of others. He commanded the Gospel be preached with Him as Lord and Savior. What we do know from Acts 17 is that those who hear have no excuse:

Acts 17:

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

45 posted on 02/23/2015 8:33:58 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: Gamecock
As stated above if you are so worried about those who have not heard the good news maybe you should go share that with them.

We've been speaking of the dearly departed. I can't yell that loud:)

46 posted on 02/23/2015 8:36:52 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Gamecock
Rephrase your question based on my answer and I will reply.

There's no need. You're not looking for and aren't interested in an answer. You're looking for a question that fits neatly into one of your preformed, canned responses. But at least you're honest about it.

47 posted on 02/23/2015 8:41:07 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: redleghunter
It is your premise that the hearts and souls of a vast majority are doomed.

Isn't that what the Bible says, that few will find the Gate?

48 posted on 02/23/2015 8:41:53 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Poison Pill

**You’re looking for a question that fits neatly into one of your preformed, canned responses.**

Funny. I was thinking the same thing about you.


49 posted on 02/23/2015 8:53:03 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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To: Ken H
Isn't that what the Bible says, that few will find the Gate?

Matthew 7:13-14King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Not limited to 'vast' amounts of Asians.

50 posted on 02/23/2015 8:58:03 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: CyberAnt
God gave us the most wonderful gift

Our life is God's gift to us; what we do with that life is our gift to God.

51 posted on 02/23/2015 9:13:03 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

“If God had made everyone and everything perfect, wouldn’t we all be little robots?”

Is God perfect?

Is God a robot?


52 posted on 02/23/2015 9:14:59 AM PST by philoginist
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To: philoginist

yes.

no.


53 posted on 02/23/2015 9:16:08 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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To: Poison Pill

Negate the question, no, but it does answer it.


54 posted on 02/23/2015 9:16:27 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: reed13k
I don’t deserve it because I’m a sinner

Church is not a rest home for saints; church is a hospital for sinners.

55 posted on 02/23/2015 9:17:53 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: MosesKnows

nice way of looking at it


56 posted on 02/23/2015 9:33:22 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: All

When I pray for forgiveness, I always end up crying. When I pray for the healing of myself and others, I usually end up crying. My heart is so soft in love it breaks when I pray. So when I connect to God, my heart is turned to mush and I weep for no particular rational reason that I understand.

None of us know who is going to heaven or anything much about that. It’s up to God. Jesus came to reconcile us with God. I trust Jesus’ saving grace. What will be, will be, beyond that. As a sinner, that’s all I have. Not much use in fretting about it or arguing about it.


57 posted on 02/23/2015 9:55:07 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: philoginist
Is God perfect?

Yes.

Is God a robot?

No.

(Let me know if you have any more puerile questions; I'll be happy to answer them.)

58 posted on 02/23/2015 10:24:20 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: Gamecock

So being perfect does not make a thing a robot.


59 posted on 02/23/2015 10:27:36 AM PST by philoginist
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To: philoginist

Of course not, don’t be ridiculous!

It does make Him Holy though, and that is our common issue. He is Holy and we aren’t.


60 posted on 02/23/2015 10:31:31 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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