Posted on 02/20/2015 2:13:26 PM PST by NYer
Yes, and I think there will be a ton of people, who will be really surprised to wake up there.
Yes, everything is destroyed in the smoldering and goes to ash. Unless it rains.
look at the Greek.
Do you have proof from scripture on that?
I looked. It still says he is awake and in torment in hades.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And it's not just for the devil, the beast, and the false prophet.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
You think they are thrown in there and are just destroyed to ashes and it's over? Think again. The anti-Christ, the false prophet, and those who follow him are all humans. At the beginning of the 1000 years they are thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
But look here! They were not simply reduced to ashes. They are still there after 1000 years.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Again, no rest, no annihilation, and no simply turning to ashes.
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The rich man wasn't simply burned to ashes.
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Now that rich man has been tormented in those flames all this time and he will be brought out only to be thrown into the lake of fire to be tormented for eternity.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
So you think it's just burned to ashes and then your done? That rich man has been there for thousands of years already fully conscious of what is happening to him. He's going to be taken out of there, judged and then thrown into the lake of fire to suffer for eternity.
I don't know who lied to you about what awaits those who reject Christ but scripture says it doesn't look pleasant nor is there an end to it. I choose Christ. And you say?
Dear C-B,
I appreciate your long discourse, but you missed my point of giving an example of the type of burning garbage pit fire that I think inspired what was written in the Bible.
Thus, relax and think of how you explain things to folks so that they understand what you are saying. Regarding the garbage at Graf, yep, it turned to ash and then into mud when it rained there, but then that was only earthly garbage I am talking about.
g-F
The fire outside of Jerusalem was simply a way to relate at the time in that the fire never stopped burning.
I should have also mentioned that the fire outside of Jerusalem is called Gehenna. In Revelation that word is not used but the literal words for “lake of fire” is. So any attempt to hide behind the Greek does not work for those trying to deny the end of evil and it’s followers.
“The absence of God.”
No, the absence of the awareness of God. God is always here with us.
What is Hell?
The worst place in the world! With devils and those caves and the ragged clothing! And the heat! I mean, what do you think about all that?
Sure thing...Throw some curtains on the windows and it'll be like a summer vacation...You guys make hell sound like a place some people will want to go to...
Hell will be a fun place then...There are already billions of people living in self exclusion from communion from God and they love it...They can live in eternal bliss in front of ESPN with a constant cold beer on the coffee table...
Then I’m safe, don’t have ESPN, beer, or a coffee table.
You are not reading the Greek and Hebrew. The King James translation was a fraud ,the purpose of which was to control the believers. Did you know that the King James “Church” was not in the Greek? Where ever you see “church” substitute “the called out” which was the meaning of ekklesia. It was the. “believers”. -—ALL BELIEVERS. The entire schtick of a Sunday building with a preacher is a fraud to keep control and get money. But there is absolutely no eternal damnation except for devils and fallen angels. You are distorting God’s word.
It was the real meaning befire the control effort in 1611>
Oh really? Well, let's take it verse by verse.
Revelation 20:10 καὶ ὁ διάβολος ὁ πλανῶν αὐτοὺς ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρὸς καὶ θείου ὅπου καὶ τὸ θηρίον καὶ ὁ ψευδοπροφήτης καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων
Now, would you pleas show where I was off in the English version I gave you?
>>Where ever you see “church” substitute “the called out” which was the meaning of ekklesia.<<
There is no word "church" in scripture. The New Testament assembly that Christ called out was the ἐκκλησίαν (ekklēsian). It simply meant assembly. Typically an assembly of those called out for a purpose. It was used for secular meetings as well such as city council type meetings. The closest word to "church" is κυριακῇ (kyriakē) which means "belonging to the Lord".
Now, let's get back to those verses you claim I am "not reading the Greek and Hebrew". Please tell me how the Revelation 29:10 passage differs from the English I posted. We can deal with each verse I posted separately.
No, it was not. The Greek I just posted to you precedes the 1611 by centuries.
BTTT for the truth.
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