Sola Historia?

His by Grace ^ | 2/9/2015 | Timothy G. Enloe

[CynicalBear]

>>I’m trying to get you to want to receive the Sacraments.<<

The pagan rituals of the Catholic Church are only that. Pagan rituals.

>>It is our job for everyone to get to Heaven.<<

How absolutely arrogant. It is NOT your job to get anyone to heaven. To think so is blasphemy.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

>>My intentions are good ones only.<<

You may think your intentions are good but if the foundation of your "good intentions" is the teaching of the Catholic Church, "good" is not how I would describe them. There is very little "good" about what the Catholic Church teaches. Most of it's teaching, practices, vestments, and rituals are not based in scripture but in paganism. They readily admit they incorporate pagan beliefs and practices. Following their beliefs and practices will only lead to destruction.

[CynicalBear]

How is it that after having been answered multiple times with scripture you continue to ask the same questions?

[ealgeone]

Just so we keep things in context...something catholicism is reluctant to do.

STA from post #364:>If you serve and honor Mary, i.e., live a life of utmost sanctity, then certainly you will find eternal life.<

ISCOOL: Sure will...An eternal life in hell...

FROM POST 173 If you serve and honor Mary, i.e., live a life of utmost sanctity, then certainly you will find eternal life.

ME from post 373 : This is the result one gets when one follows and advocates a false doctrine.

ME: There is nothing to support this in the Bible. Nothing.

FROM POST 376

ME: There is nothing to support this in the BIble. Nothing.

YOU: Where did Christ establish a Bible?

YOU: Where did Christ tell His believers that his Church would be based on a book?

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Again, this comes back to catholicism will not deny the false teaching they espouse on Mary. Any time someone points this out and calls them on it it's a guaranteed change of subject.

[boatbums]

You're absolutely right....none of those things are covered under the false teaching of sola scriptura....but they are all factual.

Then why in your Catechism do you have the facade of trying to use Scripture to verify those things???

[hockeyCEO]

You miss the tense.

The prefex κε is in the perfect tense — meaning the action has been completed in the past with its results continuing in full effect. The prefect tense carries with it a sense of fullness or completion.

There are other examples of the perfect tense in Scripture:

Ephesians 2:8 τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ πίστεως: καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν, θεοῦ τὸ δῶρον "For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God" The word 'saved,' σεσῳσμένοι, is perfect tense. The 'saved' continues on in full effect. Martin Luther got this one right "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"

Matthew 4:7 ἔφη αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, πάλιν γέγραπται, οὐκ ἐκπειράσεις κύριον τὸν θεόν σου "Jesus said to him: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" The word 'written' γέγραπται, is in the perfect tense also. KJV "Jesuss said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God"

So Martin Luther, leader of the Protestants, is 2 out of 3 (67%). Pretty typical.

[CynicalBear]

>>The prefex κε is in the perfect tense — meaning the action has been completed in the past with its results continuing in full effect.<<

I unloaded that load of corn perfectly and it's still perfectly unloaded and will remain so. The affect of my unloading continues to this day and will forever. The full effect of that unloading was that the load was put in the bin. The 1000bu bin is still not full.

>>The prefect tense carries with it a sense of fullness or completion.<<

The unloading of that wagon was fully completed.

Now, you still need to give me letter by letter to show me where "full" is included. Until you can this conversation is over.

[boatbums]

in that "the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner."

Does anyone else see the contradiction here where they claim Christ is "offered in an unbloody manner" but the Eucharist is said to literally be the body and blood of Christ???

[boatbums]

Where did Christ establish a Bible? Where did Christ tell His believers that his Church would be based on a book?

Did Jesus not give us this truth by His own example and what the Holy Spirit continued to reveal to His disciples?

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)

But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. (Matt. 22:29)

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. (Romans 15:4)

[Iscool]

Buy a copy of Raymond Murphy’s ”English Grammar in Use”

Buy everything and anything, except a Bible...

[metmom]

Does anyone else see the contradiction here where they claim Christ is "offered in an unbloody manner" but the Eucharist is said to literally be the body and blood of Christ???

Yes, but then again, I'm not Catholic anymore, so that probably explains it.

[Iscool]

Does anyone else see the contradiction here where they claim Christ is "offered in an unbloody manner" but the Eucharist is said to literally be the body and blood of Christ???

Their entire religion is a contradiction to scripture, and to God...They don't believe in being born again...They know nothing of the new birth...

Their religion is completely philosophical built on the wisdom of man and not the wisdom of God...It is pagan in nature and practice...

They don't learn scripture...They don't know scripture...They can't discuss scripture...Scripture clearly is insignificant to them...

Like their phoney Eucharist...There's no blood...There's no cross...Eating a wafer is a, what do they call it, re-presentation of the sacrifice of Jesus that they offer to the Father...??? One of the most unbiblical things I've ever heard...

Calling a sinful man Holy Father??? Their entire religion is a mockery of Jesus and his church...

[hockeyCEO]

The angel Gabriel is referred to as ‘he’, not it.

Angels have refused to serve God. Their leader’s name is Lucifer. Gabriel was not one of them.

[hockeyCEO]

“they are the ones who wrote scripture” If you mean the New Testament authors, who must be all Catholic since there was only one Church, then yes.

“we should all thank them” I do not, thanks.

“Catholics claiming they are the only church” no, not the only church, but the only one started by Jesus.

“denouncing anyone who doesn’t belong to that organization is not saved” not entirely true. If you really are interest, see LUMEN GENTIUM paragraph numbers 14, 15, and 16.

[hockeyCEO]

"The pagan rituals of the Catholic Church are only that. Pagan rituals."

Yes, Jesus the pagan:
"And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins." Matthew 26:26

"When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." John 20:22-23

You forgot St. Paul the pagan:
"The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?" Corinthians 10:16

Here is the Protestant mantra: "Jesus only means what He says when I say so." Right? Everyone has their own interpretation, right? Let's have 40,000+ Churches, each with its own beliefs. A-OK Remind me, what passage has Jesus handing out Bibles?

[CynicalBear]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Been there done that. Catch up on the last several years will ya.

[CynicalBear]

>>Here is the Protestant mantra: "Jesus only means what He says when I say so." Right? Everyone has their own interpretation, right?<<

See here then we will talk. Surely you wouldn't want to be thought hypocrites would you?

[terycarl]

It's EASY! All I have to do is cut and paste from Scripture which the Catholic church provided for us...

[terycarl]

They said mortal sin. Maybe they were in error, It's one or the other; isn't it!!

Doesn't work that way The mortal sin was denying that the Catholic church had the authority to make the rule and you affirmed that denial by disobeying the rule. Protestants get along just fine with artificial contraception. The catholic church has a rule against it and it is a sin for a Cathokic to use it. Eating meat was a pretty harmless thing to do....useing a condom is pretty much a harmless thing to do

The evil isn't in the act itself but in denying the authority to make the rule.

Protestants aren't really bothered by divorce and remarriage even though we all recognize it as adultry...does your new 1933 sect O.K. that too???

[terycarl]

Nope, if you listened real carefully you would have understood that the act of eating meat on Friday was a pretty neutral act....however, denying that the Church had the authority to bind a certain act as sinful was the sin.

What a non-answer if ever I saw one.

Yeah, but a correct one....closer attention in religion class would have helped you a lot.....The abstinance rule was actually a local type rule and did not apply to the entire Catholic church.

[terycarl]

So tell us, since other organizations call themselves the one true church as well, how is someone to know which one really is?

The Catholic church is because we are discussing Christianity here....not man made inventions like mormans. They are indeed the one true church in whatever religion they profess and it isn't Christianity.....simple!!