Posted on 12/18/2014 8:48:41 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
Thx for your ministry here on FR.
May the Lord bless your mission in 2015.
The Book of Enoch--revered at the time of Christ...found in the Dead Sea Scrolls--addressed this issue rather clearly.
Referenced by Jude and quite powerful at the time of Christ.
Are you saying Gen 6 is some luke warm chat about the sons of Seth?
That's an interesting but common misconception. Hoever, your bases are totally destroyed by the overall context of correctly applied Scripture:
Rather, it is the ancient understanding of these passages, and I would take it further yet, and claim that ALL flesh (not only human) was corrupted, which was the reason why the 'repair' was needfully so catastrophic. As to your assumption that such is destroyed in scripture:
(1) All have sinned and are thus sinful:
Agreed, but that has no bearing on the text at hand. Complicity with fallen ones does not shift the blame of Man's sin off of Man.
(2) All are children of the god of this world, from birth:
Agreed, but again, has no bearing upon this text. The corrupted gene pool was destroyed in the flood, and no subsequent irruption has been allowed to get very far. What this speaks to is not the attempt to corrupt the gene pool. Two different things. The question is whether fallen angels participated in the corruption too, which they did, right from the tree in the garden.
(3) Angels cannot and do not couple with humans to produce offspring. They are spirit, and cannot bear children:
Denied. They do not marry, that much is known. That does not declare that they cannot, or do not have the ability to copulate. As to being spirit, examples abound of them being quite corporeal... physically present. Jude tells of what happened:
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
The word 'habitation' therein is 'oiketerion' and is the same word used to describe the heavenly body that we ourselves are promised and long for in 2 Co 5:2... And the immediate comparison to Sodom and Gomorrah, and the direct declaration of the charges against them lines up perfectly with the Gen 6 narrative. The implication is that they are capable of throwing off their heavenly 'clothing' and become something close to human in appearance (and did exactly that), as indicated quite a bit by their dealings with man in the OT.
Nephilim are of no concern to us, but they were not angels. They were humans, and many commentaters opine they were children of Cain. "Nephilim" in Hebrew only means "giants" in English -- very large humans, like Goliath; but that's all it means. Samson was pretty big. We even see a few giants today, apparently a recessive trait or glandular disorder.
The Hebrew means 'to fall', the Fallen Ones. The Hebrew understanding of this is 'fallen angels' - Nephilim is also interchangeable with their offspring - Of the Fallen Ones... It is the offspring that were the giants, incidentally, not the fallen angels... Your understanding of 'giants' being only an English connotation is belied by the Septuagint, which agrees with the Hebrew idea.
At any rate, your comment is quite an insufficient explanation for beings 'as tall as cedars'. Nor is it enough to describe the 'men of old of great renown'... As we know now, in the present, a giant with a glandular problem is no threat - A sorry caricature with a multitude of health issues, incapable of being the fearsome opponent the Nephilim are described as being, and a recessive gene producing a robust form necessarily implies giants in the past - more of a defense for me than for you.
Furthermore, it does not explain the post-flood irruption(s) - Cain's line is presumably lost in the flood.... And how it is that 'Sons of God' as Sethites, laying with the daughters of Cain - close cousins... How that could produce giants reliably is another inexplicable detail. No the whole 'Sethite' theory is so thin as to be without merit.
As to them being no concern to us, I would profoundly disagree - the Antichrist is known by name, and comes up out of the Pit - His name is Apollo. You've probably heard of him elsewhere, because he qualifies as a 'man of old of great renown'... You will have a hard time convincing me that since Apollo is no myth, that one should dismiss the rest of the pagan pantheon with a waive of the hand. Our war, according to the Bible, is with powers and principalities, things unseen, which Messiah has given us the power to defeat (serpents and scorpions) - But we must engage in order to defeat them, which is pretty hard to do if we don't admit they are there.
The time is coming.
I will, later. Tired now.
Only a few things I would have to say.
It was God’s mercy that he sent the flood to protect and preserve human DNA from totally being corrupted.
I did offer in my past comment that all flesh, not just humans flesh, DNA got corrupted , save only what DNA of all flesh that was still pure.
The bible tells us that “ the fallen ones “ came before and after the flood.
The bible only tells us that only the good angels were not allowed to marry, those were the ones who did not leave their first estate.
Though out the bible there are many instances that the good angels were mistaken for men, human form.
How can that be if they are only spirits ?
What about the 2 angels at the garden tomb of Jesus Christ at his resurrection that Mary and the other women saw who they thought were the gardeners or men ? Human form.
The bible is silent on many things we can not explain.
The only reason why the fallen angels were allowed to marry human women and mate was that they were in rebellion against God.
Sorry, I do not buy that theory that they were of the of Cain, if Cain’s seed was totally wiped out by the flood, who then , according to the bible that there were giants before the flood and after the flood and God only saved the seed, the DNA of Noah and his family.
So as in the day of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the return of the son of God.
The UFO phenomenon and the so called aliens from another planet or galaxy are not what Hollywood, or others would have you to believe, the aliens, the UFOs are thefallen ones.
You and I seem to largely agree on the matter - Thx for your reply. :)
Once more, I intend to answer this, but give me a few hours for some Holiday moments. This is a good topic, for which roamer deserves an answer, also. ‘Til later —
Have a wonderful Christmas!
No worries... don't hurry on my account...
bttt
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