Posted on 12/08/2014 2:56:36 PM PST by NYer
Plus also getting fed up with Church involvement with politics as well?
You keep posting these stats and I have yet to a response with opposing data. Other than, "the poll is biased."
Mary is never referred to in Scripture as a disciple.
Just giving an honest opinion.
glad to hear that.
the concern with this kind of "opinion" is what gets us with Mary being the extra biblical person she's become now.
The Immaculate Conception is a prime example of this. It is admitted by the Catholic Encyclopedia Online that it is not based on Scripture, nor should "Tradition" be relied upon. So it comes down to "it seems like", "she should be", etc.
I forget nothing.
Too bad the other writers of the Bible failed to include her as a DISCIPLE.
Perhaps You've 'forgotten' the EXACT words she has been recorded as saying...
Luke 1:26-38 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.
33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren:
37 Because no word shall be impossible with God.
38 And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Possible, yet lets pray it is not happening anywhere!
Actually she was and is included in the Pentecostal prayer group with the women, and with his brethren. (Acts 1:14)
But what you mean is they forgot to mention the false Mary, that of Catholicism , who is almost deified, as it istaught by RCs that
she suffered all the consequences of sin and saved us through her merits,
and is "Mother of her Creator...through Whom the Holy Trinity is sanctified."
and that “The power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited,"
having “immeasurable greatness,” and
"all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin,..."
"her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands...because it is always humble and conformed to his will,
the dispenser of all he possesses...”
having “authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,”...
even that ”God gave her the power and the mission of assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels who fell away through pride....
all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her...
They greet her countless times each day with the angelic greeting, "Hail, Mary", while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests...
The whole world is filled with her glory,.."
"there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose."
“sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus.."
"O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore we have recourse, to thee alone, and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil. - .
. Thou (Mary) art my only hope. .
. . Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation..."
"the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse." so
"we cannot honor her to excess" http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/MarySC.html#ascriptions
And you thought Mormonic doctrine depended much upon arguments from silence, and imperial supremacy!
God never asked her permission.
Mary was not a disciple.
She constantly resisted his ministry, and attempted to insert his brothers and sisters between him and what the Father sent him to do.
You could easily call her an anti-disciple.
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Actually she was and is included in the Pentecostal prayer group with the women, and with his brethren.
(Acts 1:14)
True; but being WITH the group did NOT make her a 'disciple'.
Acts 1:12-15 (niv)
Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city.
When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.
They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
I hope your asbestos suit can withstand boiling oil!
Funny place, this forum.
You can say anything you wish against Yeshua with impunity, But dare ye not diss Mary’s nail polish.
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It appears that way.
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