Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

[oldtech]

Where you getting that “flat earth” idea?

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Isaiah 40:21-22 "Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Isaiah 40:21-22 "Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

[Resettozero]

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.

Obviously, that could have been my next guess. Or not.

[sasportas]

Jesus was there “in beginning.” HE referred to Adam and Even in Matt. 10 and Matt. 19. Since He was there, I have to say there was an Adam and Eve.

Bingo. After reading through 63 posts (at least as I post this there is only 63), in my opinion, yours is the one that best cuts through all the noise and gets to the heart of the matter. Jesus knows more about the issue of a real Adam and Eve than all these evolutionists and Catholic theistic evolutionists on this thread put together! Yours was a great post.

[stars & stripes forever]

Matthew traced Jesus’ genealogy back to Adam and Eve. To say Adam and Eve didn't exist is to say Jesus didn't exist.

[verga]

No legitimate Catholic theologian, rational Catholic, or Church dogma accepts a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories.

I am a legitimate Catholic theologian, and I am also rational. You are wrong.

[GreyFriar]

Going back to that old folk song, I think the first humans were actually named Frankie & Johnnie, Adam & Eve are just mis-translations of those two names.

[terycarl]

theistic evolutionist" teaching of the Church itself represents a change from previous doctrine

no it doesn't.

[terycarl]

If you get to Heaven you will be able to pick out Adam and Eve immediately....they are the couple without belly buttons................

[editor-surveyor]

I’m going to love watching your performance at the Great White Throne.

[ravenwolf]

According to the Bible we humans are products of the incestuous relationship between Noah and his daughter(s).

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I believe you mean Lot and his daughters.

[editor-surveyor]

One can either believe our creator, or believe the impossible.

The catholic church tries to straddle the fence, and the gap is bigger than the Grand Canyon.

[21twelve]

“Since He was there, I have to say there was an Adam and Eve.”

I think Jesus was just sticking with the script there - reinforcing some story. Just like His disciples stuck with the script of making up the story of how He was resurrected. /s

Being resurrected is just as impossible as Creation is. So if I believe in the resurrection, it isn’t much of a stretch to believe in Creation. So while Genesis is obviously not the whole truth (it doesn’t describe the physics or chemistry of it all, etc.) - it is the story in terms of what people at the time could understand. And gets the message across that God is Creator, and that he wants a relationship with us.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The incestuous relationship between Lot and his daughters occurred more than 400 years before Noah was given the law” <<

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You are quite confused.

We do not know when Noah received the law, but we do know that he did receive some law, or else how would he have known what animals were unclean.

Lot lived many generations after Noah died.
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[verga]

According to the Bible we humans are products of the incestuous relationship between Noah and his daughter(s).

Noah had three sons, Ham , Shem, and Japheth. Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Thank you for documenting again the hazards of Sola Scriptura.

[ravenwolf]

A reasonable reading of Genesis 1:26 suggests that Adam and Eve were not the first humans created.

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I think it is reasonable to believe that Adam was not in the sixt5h day creation but later.

[terycarl]

If it contained all the detail, you couldn't read it in your lifetime

yeah, but they could make it into a movie and we could all be up to date in about 3 hours (including intermission)!!!!

with popcorn!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “(it doesn’t describe the physics or chemistry of it all, etc.)” <<

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The physics and chemistry were invented after the creation. There was no matter nor time before creation.

God didn’t use physics or chemistry, he invented time and matter.
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[editor-surveyor]

Nonsense.

Buy a Bible and read it carefully.
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