Posted on 10/28/2014 5:23:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
Often, yes.
Often, no.
Kind of all depends on the circumstances.
Examples of "often, no" (Unless you plan on lecturing the apostles John & Paul when you get to heaven):
* 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. (2 John 9 to 11)
* 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. (1 Corinthians five: three to five)
Example of "often, yes":
* 9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will not welcome us. 10 So when I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, spreading malicious nonsense about us. Not satisfied with that, he even refuses to welcome other believers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church. (3 John 9 to 10)
The key in the above is to discerningly pinpoint who is actually causing the division? Who are the real provocateurs?
Diotrephes spread false rumors, refused to welcome other believers, and put other welcomers out the church.
The guy in the Corinthian church engaging in sexual behavior became the divider once he flaunted his sexual sin before the whole church. (Paul wasn't the divider for wanting to have him ex-communicated)
And in the case of 2 John, it was the heretics who caused the division, even tho they didn't want to be split away from the Christian church.
They insisted they be accepted as is, heresy and all.
Sorry, your carte-blanche attempt to treat all circumstances as the same doesn't wash. Besides, are you so obtuse that you don't even recognize 'tis Mormonism that from the get-go labeled 100% of the Christian church as "apostates," 100% creedally abominable, and as having professions of faith as 100% corrupt? (Note all of the "all" words in the Mormon "scriptures" of the First Vision...Joseph Smith History - 1 - in the Pearl of Great Price)
Bashing and dividing Christians is satan's work.
Does that include bashing Christians as possible "cross-dressers"?
Does that include bashing Christians who you think are engaging in "satan's work" by your labeling of them as "bashers" and "dividers?"
Often, yes.
I provided a reference — 2 Corinthians, 12:7
I consider any messenger sent from God to be an angel, and Moroni, once a man on earth, to be one.
You seem to make no distinction between the True Christ and a False one.
I deduced something that was news to me, and went to the source for confirmation.
And this is why I post Mormon quotes.
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How do you KNOW the Sender?
Sorry, but MEN have NEVER been shown to change into an angel.
We know that Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. I am sure that they were sent by God.
Are you proudly representing Christ by bashing me by consistently referencing me as a basher? (If your primary operative ethic on fr is not to bash...then perhaps you may want to consider being a bit more tolerant of those you don’t see eye to eye...iow...set an example)
Wow, this is very interesting!
“I consider any messenger sent from God to be an angel, and Moroni, once a man on earth, to be one.”
Normandy, can you provide any facts or evidence that backs up your assertion that moroni was an angel? So far, we just have an opinion.
“We know that Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. I am sure that they were sent by God.”
We know God chose them, based entirely on what HE revealed in HIS Holy Bible.
We know they appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration based entirely on what HE revealed in HIS Holy Bible.
Moroni? Doesn’t appear in the Bible.
Hi Ampu,
I believe that Moroni was sent from God to Joseph Smith to reveal the Book of Mormon, just as were Elijah and Moses were sent to Jesus.
How do you know if a messenger comes from GOD?
Yeah; we get this.
But...
...how do you know if a messenger is sent by GOD?
Ether 15:31
And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
“I believe that Moroni was sent from God to Joseph Smith to reveal the Book of Mormon, just as were Elijah and Moses were sent to Jesus.”
Hi Normandy. I know you “believe it.” That is an opinion.
What evidence or facts do you have to support your opinion?
Except you can't point to any "angel" specifically id'd as a "man" in the Bible, can you?
Except you can't point to any "angel" specifically id'd as a "man" in the Book of Mormon in the Bible, can you? (iow...Moroni or any other Book of Mormon character isn't id'd as an "angel" there)
And if that's important doctrinally, why is that nowhere to be found in those sources?
Normandy...we cannot alwas simply take what an "angel" says at face value; we need to be "noble" like the Bereans were:
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)
We have to examine the claims of any "latterday" "gospel" vs. previous revelations re: the Biblical Gospel. If you don't, you fail to be "noble" (like the Bereans)
Hence, Paul says that if a new "angel" on the block begins preaching amiss...a "new" "gospel"...that "angel" is to be cursed!!!!
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! (Galatians one:six to nine)
Even Mormonism acknowledges that certain "revelations" are "of the devil." What's interesting is this quote...found in the Mormon church-owned Deseret News...concedes that SOME of the directives Mormons have been told to do by Smith "...are of the devil":
...Whitmer wrote that Hyrum Smith, Joseph's brother, suggested selling the copyright in Canada to raise money and that Hyrum \"persuaded Joseph to inquire of the Lord about it.\"According to Whitmer, Joseph used his seer stone \"and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and that they would sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon.\"Oliver Cowdery, Joseph Knight, Hiram Page and Josiah Stowell were selected for the task to go to Canada.The brethren, however, failed to sell the copyright.Whitmer wrote that he remembered when Page and Cowdery returned: \"Well, we were all in great trouble; and we asked Joseph how it was that he had received a revelation from the Lord for some brethren to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right, and the brethren had utterly failed in their undertaking.\"Whitmer said Joseph \"enquired of the Lord about it\" and received a revelation that said, \"Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.\"\
Source: Newly found revelation of Joseph Smith
IoW...Smith isn't trustworthy...Moroni wasn't...
Deuteronomy 18 indicates that if a prophet speaks as a prophet even only once falsely, look out!
19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” 21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
How many times does it take to lie to be deemed a liar? (once)
How many times does it take to murder to be deemed a murderer? (once)
How many times does it take to proclaim a false prophecy to be deemed a false prophet? (once)
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