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This sham of a Synod takes a deadly turn {Catholic Caucus}
http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com ^ | October 13, 2014

Posted on 10/13/2014 12:56:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

First, I have been quietly trying to brace people that this Synod would go well beyond mere “pastoral” approaches and into redefinitions of Doctrine. I felt that clearly the case because, for starters, it is impossible to separate Doctrine – law – from practice. Saying otherwise is like saying we can continue to hold the common definition of murder in criminal courts while excusing all those who commit murder out of a false sense of charity. And what we have going on right now is attempted soul-murder in the first degree. In addition, in reading the tea leaves with the dim eyes of faith possessed by this manifest sinner, it seemed obvious to me the progressives, advanced in age and with 50 years of history showing the utter folly, the evil, of their errors, would go for broke, attempting to finish what they started in the 60s. This is their last, best chance to inflict as much destruction as possible.

Secondly, I say this Synod is a sham because if it does, for whatever reason (the true disposition of the majority of the bishops, or the heavy influence of the Bishop of Rome moving men to unprecedented disassociation with the Gospel and the Inspiration of the Blessed Trinity) try to foist a new “gospel” on the Church, that in and of itself will be……well, I think we know it will be very, very bad, but as the Voice of the Family has apparently already declared, it could also mean this Synod is some false body that does not merit obedience to its declarations. We are entering most frightening and terrible times. I do not know what to counsel but this is just unbelievably bad.

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1 posted on 10/13/2014 12:56:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

If I may be so bold -

“I do not know what to counsel”

First and foremost, keep your faith in Jesus Christ, and his saving grace, and pray that God sees you through your trials.


2 posted on 10/13/2014 1:03:40 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Technically, a Synod doesn’t make any declarations that require obedience by the faithful. It exists as an advisory body to the Holy Father.


3 posted on 10/13/2014 1:12:29 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

It also provides cover for this Pope to promote the ideology being forwarded at the Sin-nod. “I was being collegial.”


4 posted on 10/13/2014 1:15:13 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: TheZMan

Right now this report is just a trial balloon from the Synod, albeit a distressing one. If Francis, at the end of the process, presumes to declare a new teaching ex cathedra that is unequivocally contrary to faith and morals, he will have formally and publicly apostasized, and all Catholics will not only be released from obedience to him, but will also be required to oppose him and any bishop or priest who accepts his false teaching or commands the faithful to obey it.

While this event would no doubt be devastating, it would also be a salutary corrective to exaggerated notions of papal impeccability that are no less pernicious than modernist notions of the papacy as a mere office of honour without real authority.


5 posted on 10/13/2014 1:15:41 PM PDT by Loyalist (Aldiborontiphoscophornio! Where left you Chrononhotonthologos?)
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s official. I do not like Pope Francis. The Holy See has been infiltrated by the politically correct and the lavender mafia. With the cowards and apostates like Cardinal Dolan to the Pope, where are the leaders with the balls to defend Catholic doctrine?


6 posted on 10/13/2014 1:30:55 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NKP_Vet

**Secondly, I say this Synod is a sham because if it does, for whatever reason (the true disposition of the majority of the bishops, or the heavy influence of the Bishop of Rome moving men to unprecedented disassociation with the Gospel and the Inspiration of the Blessed Trinity) try to foist a new “gospel” on the Church, that in and of itself will be……well, I think we know it will be very, very bad, but as the Voice of the Family has apparently already declared, it could also mean this Synod is some false body that does not merit obedience to its declarations.**

It is definitely a sham synod. But how do we let our bishops know?

Call them, fax them, email them!

http://usccb.org/about/bishops-and-dioceses/all-dioceses.cfm


7 posted on 10/13/2014 2:48:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Get involved ping!

http://usccb.org/about/bishops-and-dioceses/all-dioceses.cfm


8 posted on 10/13/2014 2:51:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Loyalist
If Francis, at the end of the process, presumes to declare a new teaching ex cathedra that is unequivocally contrary to faith and morals,...

The Holy Spirit's gift of infallibility will prevent an ex cathedra statement that is unequivocally contrary to faith and morals. So no worries there.

HOWEVER, Our Lord did not guarantee that the Holy Spirit would protect against a pope who implements a "pastoral practice" that has the effect of watering down the faith to such a degree that it becomes essentially heretical. That's the danger here - that the pope will implement practices that create a fig leaf that allows them to claim they have not changed doctrine, when in practice they have done exactly that.

... and all Catholics will not only be released from obedience to him, but will also be required to oppose him and any bishop or priest who accepts his false teaching or commands the faithful to obey it.

We will only be released from obedience to the pope in those matters where he has in practice deviated from the faith. If the pope promulgates a practice that is essentially heretical, I, for one, will personally confront my archbishop and ask him if he plans to implement such a practice. If so, then I will charitably offer him a fraternal correction and will not obey him in that matter. Same for my parish priest. At the parish level it will almost certainly require me to find a parish where the priest refuses to acquiesce to the new policy.

I've been praying and sacrificing for they synod since it was first announced. That's all I can do at this point. But if and when such a disaster formally happens, then that will drastically change things. I will no longer have the confidence that the pope or any bishop or priest who goes along, has the requisite intention to "do what the church does" when consecrating the Eucharist, hearing confession, baptizing, etc.

In other words, I fear that I will be left without the sacraments because they will be invalid, due to lack of proper intent on the part of the celebrant.

9 posted on 10/13/2014 3:00:01 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: NKP_Vet; All
Why would the Pope and bishops change regarding divorce?
Wealthy and powerful families have been trying for TWO THOUSAND years to make their own rules. But, they always fail after a few generations because those "rules" were made by GOD. And GOD'S CHURCH continues on and on and on, and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it...especially with St. Peter, Jesus' first VICAR, at the helm. Today, it's Pope Francis, as the 2014 VICAR OF CHRIST on earth.

Henry VIII destroyed the English Catholic Church because the nasty ole Church wouldn't let him divorce Katherine of Aragon. He had to have a SON.
So he married SIX women to get a son...all for nothing. The one son he did have died before his 20th birthday.

Do you know the little poem about the fate of King Henry's wives?


Divorced.
Beheaded.
Died.
Divorced.
Beheaded.
Survived.

EVEN the most powerful and wealthy Medici family finally died out OR the Medici family is making raviolis in Sorrento, Milano and Poughkeepsie.

The Church and its COMMANDMENTS from God will stay the way they are. That is what the "Vicars of Christ" do here on God's good earth.

10 posted on 10/13/2014 3:17:15 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: scouter

Just so. But the Church has been through bad times before. At the time of the Arian Heresy, which was supported by the Emperor Constantine, virtually every bishop in the Church supported the heretical side. Yet at the Council of Nicea, God stepped in and ensured that they made the right decision.

There even was an Arian elected Pope. But once he got elected, he changed his mind.

Yes, God will ultimately protect His Church. But in bad times like this, thousands or millions of souls are in danger of being lost because of bad teaching on the part of their bishops, priests, and religious instructors, not to mention ignorant fellow Catholics.

I have read all the documents of Vatican II, and numerous books and essays about them. There are no heresies, not a single word or phrase, although there are documents capable of being twisted and misinterpreted, and plenty of bishops and priests and nuns happy to twist them.

I’m afraid it does look like we’ll have to wait for yet another Pope before this mess is straightened out, unless Pope Francis suddenly has a conversion experience of some sort.


11 posted on 10/13/2014 3:18:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
With the cowards and apostates like Cardinal Dolan to the Pope, where are the leaders with the balls to defend Catholic doctrine?

In the Eastern Orthodox Churches, where they've always been, silly. :)~

12 posted on 10/13/2014 3:26:10 PM PDT by cizinec ( For the Republic!)
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To: Salvation
I saw this item on CNN earlier today - yes I go there because I don't want to get caught by surprise by the outrage du jour. I wasn't able to read much of the actual text until I got home - my workplace computer blocks all blogs and many other sites.

Having read the account of the statement on Catholic News Service, I have grave reservations about where the Church appears to be going. Further, I think it unwise to release such an ambiguous, irresponsible and, IMHO, heretical statement during the course of a Synod that neither can nor will generate doctrine but will merely form the prelude to another Synod to occur in 2015.

The "thinking out loud" statement issued today will be seized on by the godless media, be parsed out, sliced and diced in every way possible by the left-wing spinners and talking heads who form public opinion, and its substance, if any it has, will be ignored.


"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

13 posted on 10/13/2014 3:32:28 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in Battle!)
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To: NKP_Vet; Salvation
Are they trying to undo the Catechism?

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Chastity and homosexuality

2357   Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358   The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359   Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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14 posted on 10/13/2014 3:43:28 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: NKP_Vet

saddened bttt


15 posted on 10/13/2014 3:47:50 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Loyalist

What is the mechanism by which a statement by the Pope is ruled in error? I’m not being sarcastic, what is the process?


16 posted on 10/13/2014 4:05:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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ph


17 posted on 10/13/2014 4:11:54 PM PDT by xone
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To: redgolum

“The document seems not to be consonant with 2,000 years worth of Church teaching, theology, practice, and spirituality,” said Benjamin Harnwell, founder of the Rome-based Dignitatis Humanae Institute. “Where is the Catholic content? Where are the insights only a Catholic would say? With the caveat this is only a provisional document, at this stage it hasn’t been sufficiently explained how can there be good fruits based on something that the Church has always taught was intrinsically sinful.”

Royal said that in a “media environment like the one we live in now, the message that gets transmitted is uncertainty” and that “only kind of ratifies people’s autonomy to go ahead and do whatever they want.

“This is not Catholicism,” he said. “It’s hard to know exactly why we’re so anxious to be able to talk to people. Certainly we want to be respectful to all persons, but that shouldn’t be the centrality of what the Church is up to. The Church has, in the modern world, got many more difficult things to address.”

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/serious-reservations-expressed-about-content-of-synod-report/#ixzz3G4VaW0sz


18 posted on 10/13/2014 4:43:48 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Salvation

What’s a Synod?


19 posted on 10/13/2014 5:21:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Cicero

One good thing is that all the heretic bishops are coming out of the closet and will be readily identifiable by the next pope who has the guts to do what needs to be done. Also, if they do come out with a heretical policy, then every Catholic who is not a heretic themselves will be able to know without a doubt where his bishop stands.

Of course, it works the other way, too... Those bishops who remain faithful to the teachings of Jesus will also be readily identifiable by the current pope and will be subject to being removed from office.

In any case, this is a time of clarification for all involved. And that’s a good thing. The lines are being drawn and the battle is about to begin. We may take some pretty hard hits, but it’s time to engage the enemy. I know who wins in the end, so while I don’t look forward at all to the pain, I say “bring it on!”


20 posted on 10/13/2014 5:28:55 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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