Posted on 07/16/2014 4:18:13 AM PDT by NYer
Well, my second marriage has outlasted my first, and we have five children.
As far as the adultery goes? Ain't nothin like the real thing, baby.
That has nothing to do with divorce. In the early church, people were coming to the dinners merely trying to get fed and get drunk.
Not even going to acknowledge reception of the information I compiled for you?
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Also worth pondering is the question as to why the Vatican has reposted that reporter's first interview article in English (containing some confusing, controversial quotes) on the Vatican web site, after it had been taken down for a while (as already pointed out by several other FReepers on various other recent threads) --- see the following link:
In this article you posted here, the author's emphasis on the unusual silence these days among many folks within "the Bride of Christ" reminds me a bit of an old song from the 1960's:
bumpus ad summum
I would liken it to trying to take Chemistry without learning to read first. You might know math but if you can't read you will be lost.
Catholicism starts for most people at birth. I remember how most of my Catholic friends would say the Rosary while nursing the baby. Using the fingers and toes instead of beads. Singing the hymns to the baby.
My first gift to new parents is usually a glow in the dark crucifix for the baby's crib. Babies go to Mass until what 3ish then we have that brief Sunday school period until they start school.
For Catholics the Church is not just a place to go on Sunday. The Parish is our home, we are family. The parish walks through everything with us from birth to death. When people criticize priests, they truly don't understand why we defend them so. He's not a symbol or a caricature. He's our spiritual father. He's there if you are hurt in the hospital, a family member is dying. He Baptizes us, he shares in our sorrows and joys and the face may change over the years, but the vocation PRIEST, means something. There are men who have undertaken the vocation unworthily just as people enter marriages that should not have.
Father rejoices with you as your children triumph and cries with you when they fail. He lifts you up or kicks your butt, depending on what you need that day. He's a shoulder to cry on or a friend to laugh with. Father is the one who comes and sits with you as you die and comforts your family and leads them through the dark days to the other side. On the one hand a priest is no greater then any other man, but he sacrifices his will to do God's will and some will just never understand it. Some will never understand the difference in the priest as man and the priest as in persona Christi, during sacraments. I guess they like going it alone. I'll tell you what thought when you are at rock bottom and the last person who will talk to you may very well be a priest. If you are not Catholic maybe it's impossible to see it. I don't know. But when the chips are down, Father always come through.
Normally, as a courtesy, the poster of the thread is notified. Why was the caucus label removed?
Well now I know you did not ask for the label to be pulled. Very Interesting.
I’m guessing because there were posts about Protestants.
And it has been removed again.
No, I don’t think so. No posts have been removed from this thread. So I doubt that is it. We shall await the Moderator. Thanks.
The Caucus label was in the title; apparently, the RM has removed it without any notification or justification. The label is still listed and active in post #3. Thank you for observing it.
Without justification?
You mean like posts 10, 26, and 43 where non-Catholics are mentioned and disparaged?
It’s my understanding that the caucus label is not protection or license to use to attack others while leaving them no recourse to defend themselves.
The label may still be listed in post 3 but I seriously doubt it's active if the RM removed it from the title.
Then it just becomes opinion or a wish.
I was told I was being judgmental. OK....
The “caucus” article and posts must not compare beliefs or speak in behalf of a belief outside the caucus.
Honestly, your situation is what the issue is.
Your second marriage is (forgive me for assuming) stable and you have five children. For you to leave that second marriage for your first wife would be (again forgive me for assuming) rather horrific at this point. Not just for you and your wife, but the children involved.
So how does a church and/or pastor handle that? In the Catholic church they typically do the annulment thing, in most non Catholic churches they ignore it.
This strikes me as another example of what first disillusioned me when I returned to the Church.
I had a fantasy (and it is a fantasy) in my mind that everyone believed the exact same thing and not only that, but also behaved and thought the exact same way.
To the consternation of myself at the time (and still a point of scandal for many today, Protestant and Catholic alike) I discovered through examples like this, it is not so: surprise surprise different people behave and think, well, differently.
I assert here briefly that this has always been how the Church was and is. There are different opinions, fights squabbles, and the like all throughout Church history. It’s not a monolithic lock-step organization. It’s human. Not based on human effort or idea, but colored and influenced by humanity. Big difference.
Here is no different. Had Father Tarcisio left out the portion in the parentheses, there would have been no issue. The only issue his bishop had was with his example.
So it’s a personal preference thing. I don’t see his bishop disagreeing with the teaching per se rather his example. If he had used an example of say, pornography or lying, maybe his bishop wouldn’t have objected. Myself I was a bit shocked to even be discussing “murder” in relation to co-habitation at all, even to demonstrate a difference.
We are Catholics, and I know both are mortal sins, but really, co-habitation is just as serious a sin as murder?
Whether or not one agrees with this impression of the analogy or not is irrelevant. We must try to see what the other is saying (the bishop didn’t do this). Just because he didn’t though, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to see what he (the bishop) is saying either.
This is how it is. This is what must be done. This is both our problem as humans and what we are called to do. We must try to see the other in as charitable a light as possible.
Is there a history of this bishop rejecting Church teaching? If not, this is probably another example of what can be disillusioning but isn’t. It isn’t, if we just see it as a different person preferring a different way of saying (or doing) things. A different way that ultimately has no difference. Just personal preference.
That is a very clear explanation. Well done. I know it’s hard. Being Catholic ain’t for sissies! We put that on a shirt once for our Confirmation retreat.
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