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Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
BBC News ^ | 07/14/2014

Posted on 07/14/2014 10:37:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that "about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles.

The Pope said that abuse of children was like "leprosy" infecting the Church, according to the Italian La Repubblica newspaper.

He vowed to "confront it with the severity it demands".

But a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis's exact words.

The BBC's David Willey in Rome says there is often a studied ambiguity in Pope Francis' off-the-cuff statements.

He wants to show a more compassionate attitude towards Church teaching than his predecessors, but this can sometimes cause consternation among his media advisers, our correspondent adds.

In the interview, Pope Francis was quoted as saying that the 2% estimate came from advisers. It would represent around 8,000 priests out of a global number of about 414,000.

While the incidence of paedophilia as a psychiatric disorder in the general population is not accurately known, some estimates have put it at less than five percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; paedophiles; popefrancis; priests

1 posted on 07/14/2014 10:37:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Make it 0%.


2 posted on 07/14/2014 10:40:55 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101

RE: It would represent around 8,000 priests out of a global number of about 414,000.

I wonder if these 8.000 are concentrated more in some geographic location...


3 posted on 07/14/2014 10:43:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Common Sense 101
Law enforcement officials will tell you that pedophiles gravitate to those professions where they can have access to children.

The number of pedophile priests, pastors, teachers, day care workers, scoutmasters, camp counselors, child psychologists, etc. will never go to 0%.

4 posted on 07/14/2014 10:45:54 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SeekAndFind

If he can give a number like that, then they must have names, right?


5 posted on 07/14/2014 10:46:53 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: Common Sense 101

Make it 0%.


Why are you joking about this?


6 posted on 07/14/2014 10:47:44 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Hmm, 2% of the population...where have I heard that before?


7 posted on 07/14/2014 10:48:45 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy; laplata
Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are
8 posted on 07/14/2014 10:54:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the stupidest article I have ever read.

First off, those who were there say the Pope didn’t say that.

And why would anyone say something as stupid as that.

If someone knows there are pedophiles(or any other type of criminal) in an organization, he should not be talking. He should be taking immediate action. He should have already been building a case against these people and should have them defrocked, excommunicated and prosecuted.

If someone does not knows then there is nothing to be gained by speculating or guessing.

Identify and prosecute any wrongdoers. But stop blabbering on and on to the media.


9 posted on 07/14/2014 10:54:50 AM PDT by detective
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To: SeekAndFind

Proportion of men who are homosexual: 2%
Proportion of clergy who are pederasts: 2%

Nope, pure coincidence, nothing to see here.


10 posted on 07/14/2014 10:55:01 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Squawk 8888

You can be homosexual but not pedophile.

I guess you can also be pedophile but not homosexual.


11 posted on 07/14/2014 10:56:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: detective

RE: First off, those who were there say the Pope didn’t say that.

Well, the article did use the phrase: Pope Francis “was quoted as saying” more than once.


12 posted on 07/14/2014 10:57:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t that the same percentage of the general population who are homosexuals?


13 posted on 07/14/2014 10:58:44 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We just had a case here in the Pittsburgh area. He was a registered offender but still headed up a church and was counseling children.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/homestead-pastor-accused-sexual-abuse/ngfKS/


14 posted on 07/14/2014 11:00:29 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: txrefugee

RE: Isn’t that the same percentage of the general population who are homosexuals?

See link in Post #8 above.


15 posted on 07/14/2014 11:01:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: laplata

How do you figure this is a joke? The Church should remove all paedophile priests once the charges have been substantiated, rather than refuse to deal with the problem by reassigning them to other parishes, attempting to “rehabilitate” them, etc.


16 posted on 07/14/2014 11:07:43 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind
From the article:

“a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis’s exact words.”

I don't know what was actually said, but my point still stands.

If you know there is problem, do something.

If you don't know, don't speculate and guess to the media.

17 posted on 07/14/2014 11:08:30 AM PDT by detective
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To: Common Sense 101

Make it 0%.


Don’t get smart with me. You’re the one who said 0%. You should have put a /s.


18 posted on 07/14/2014 11:14:49 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?


19 posted on 07/14/2014 11:16:05 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101

no but you have a smart ass problem


20 posted on 07/14/2014 11:17:27 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Better than having a dumbass problem...


21 posted on 07/14/2014 11:18:24 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are correct, howevever the prevalance of pedophilia among homosexuals is greater by at least most of the stats I hear from the pro-gay side claim that 60-70% of child molesters are heterosexual, IOW they are admitting that at least 30% of child sex offenders are drawn from less than 2% of the population. Not sure why but I suspect that they do it because their behaviour is easier to conceal if no adults are involved.


22 posted on 07/14/2014 11:23:56 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: detective

This seems to be a recurring theme with this new Pontiff.

Every time the Pope says something, someone in the Vatican comes back and says the Pope really didn’t say that. Here was what he really meant.

Who exactly is doing the interpreting for this Pope? The same fellow who was doing the sign language at Mandela’s funeral?


23 posted on 07/14/2014 11:25:47 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Common Sense 101

You’ll admit that eventually.


24 posted on 07/14/2014 11:27:02 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The dog ate my last post like a Lerner email. Should have read:

“{....}greater by at least several orders of magnitude. Most of the stats {...}”


25 posted on 07/14/2014 11:27:25 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Squawk 8888
Here's one non-homosexual pedophile who seems to have gotten away with it:


Here's the other ... followed by over a billion people worldwide:

26 posted on 07/14/2014 11:28:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks.


27 posted on 07/14/2014 11:28:53 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

there’s really not anyone who would argue 0% isn’t the ideal goal....


28 posted on 07/14/2014 11:31:35 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: SeekAndFind
Here's the missing word that neither +Francis (if this report is accurate), nor the media can bring themselves to say; homosexual.

The sex abuse scandal provided us with some statistics about this "pedophile" problem. It was/is a predominately male-on-male issue. If we learned nothing else, we learned that much.

These are the same people who will then turn around and accuse the Church of doing nothing substantial about this problem. The very first lesson which must be learned is the identity of the perps; they're men who suffer from same sex attraction disorder. Without an appreciation of this fact, the problem can never be resolved satisfactorily.

Political correctness however, prevents us from clearly enunciating that fact. Once again, the solution to this problem lies with the seminaries and involves the screening out of these individuals prior to ordination. Ironically, this would bring screams of protest from the likes of the BBC and others who shed crocodile tears over this problem.

29 posted on 07/14/2014 11:35:21 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
“This seems to be a recurring theme with this new Pontiff.

Every time the Pope says something, someone in the Vatican comes back and says the Pope really didn’t say that. Here was what he really meant.”

I think the inaccuracies and false statements are primarily the fault of the media. I have seen times when Pope Francis has issued written statements and the media summary was completely different from the theme of the original text.

The media want to interpret Pope Francis as saying what they believe he should be saying.

30 posted on 07/14/2014 11:35:36 AM PDT by detective
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Make it O%.

I didn’t take it as a joke. I took it as a quite reasonable demand.


31 posted on 07/14/2014 11:35:53 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

there’s really not anyone who would argue 0% isn’t the ideal goal....


Yes, but the way it was put made it look like 0% were pedophiles. I misunderstood.


32 posted on 07/14/2014 11:36:58 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Common Sense 101

I misunderstood what you were saying. I agree with you.


33 posted on 07/14/2014 11:38:52 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: detective

That may be true.

But I don’t recall them doing this with the Pope’s past two predecessors.

At least not as often.


34 posted on 07/14/2014 11:39:27 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: marshmallow
“The sex abuse scandal provided us with some statistics about this “pedophile” problem. It was/is a predominately male-on-male issue. If we learned nothing else, we learned that much.”

The so called “pedophile” problem is almost entirely adult homosexuals having sex with boys in their mid to late teens. There is almost no abuse of children.

35 posted on 07/14/2014 11:40:03 AM PDT by detective
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To: laplata

ahhhh! Okay, I was confused but now am on the same page - cool, FRiend.


36 posted on 07/14/2014 11:40:20 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Yes, the same page, FRiend.


37 posted on 07/14/2014 11:44:37 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“But I don’t recall them doing this with the Pope’s past two predecessors.”

Actually they did but it was done differently. Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict were misquoted and misrepresented often.

They were portrayed as being hard line and rigid and not caring about the church. Pope Benedict was derisively called “God’s Rottweiler” and a NAZI.


38 posted on 07/14/2014 11:46:55 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

Love the way the media called Pope Benedict a Nazi, even though membership in the Hitler Youth was not optional during WWII.

Meanwhile, membership in the Choom gang which BHO belonged was completely optional yet the media never mentions that organization.


39 posted on 07/14/2014 11:54:16 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind

The later (from what I read) liked boys also.


40 posted on 07/14/2014 12:16:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow
Here's the missing word that neither +Francis (if this report is accurate), nor the media can bring themselves to say; homosexual.

Well, we wouldn't want to judge them. ;-0

41 posted on 07/14/2014 1:33:43 PM PDT by piusv
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To: SeekAndFind

Hopefully this Pope will do what has to be done to end it and end the denials and willful blind eyes to this evil in the RCC.


42 posted on 07/14/2014 2:53:17 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: massgopguy

Exactly.


43 posted on 07/15/2014 2:06:19 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The BBC's David Willey in Rome....

That figures.

44 posted on 07/15/2014 8:12:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that "about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles. The Pope said that abuse of children was like "leprosy" infecting the Church, according to the Italian La Repubblica newspaper. He vowed to "confront it with the severity it demands". But a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis's exact words. The BBC's David Willey in Rome says there is often a studied ambiguity in Pope Francis' off-the-cuff statements.

PFL

To be sure, the contents of the letter to Ryan weren’t just a product of Dolan’s need to appease both sides in the intra-Church struggle. It was also a classic example of a style of ecclesiastical document that the Vatican employs in complicated situations....This style of writing aims at “studied ambiguity,” a Vatican diplomat explained to me, noting that the people who write such letters are trained to think in terms of centuries, not sound bites. “So you always need to be able to say fifty years on, ‘Well, of course we never meant that,’” the diplomat said.
-- from the thread Mixed Blessing: The Ryan budget and the raging battle within the U.S. Catholic Church

45 posted on 07/15/2014 8:36:07 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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