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Presbyterian Pastors Can Preside at Gay Marriages
Associated Press ^ | June 19, 2014 | Uncredited AP

Posted on 06/19/2014 1:18:33 PM PDT by alancarp

The largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. will allow pastors to preside at gay weddings in states that recognize same-sex marriage.

The Presbyterian General Assembly voted 61 percent to 39 percent in favor of allowing ministers to decide whether to perform the ceremonies. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia recognize gay marriage.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: calvinism; gay; homosexualagenda; lesbyterian; marriage; paganchurchusa; pcusa; presbyterian; reformation; reformed
>> The article's 4th paragraph indicates this refers to the Presbyterian Church/USA. This particular Presbyterian denomination has long been heading in several non-scriptural directions.

This meeting is being held in Detroit and runs through Saturday.

1 posted on 06/19/2014 1:18:33 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: alancarp

Another nail in the coffin.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 1:21:24 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

I was thinking “in the cross”, but yeah, I’m with you.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: alancarp

Wow. At their own peril.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 1:24:32 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: alancarp

Corrupt Doctrine ==> Corrupt Action


5 posted on 06/19/2014 1:25:51 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: alancarp

Unbelievers who don’t recognize their own blindness.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 1:26:55 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: alancarp

I’m shocked… ..

……that it took them this long!

Pack of heretics.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 1:27:03 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: NorthMountain
Corrupt Doctrine ==> Corrupt Action

You're correct. It's worth pointing out that this is just the Presbyterian Church (USA) denomination, not all Presbyterians.

8 posted on 06/19/2014 1:28:56 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: alancarp

Pressed Bitterian pastors have always done whatever they D__ P___ed.

Nuff of this Bible distraction!
.


9 posted on 06/19/2014 1:36:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Alex Murphy
That's right. It's the Presbyterian Church, USA ... which Wikipedia credits with 1,849,496 members.

For perspective, the five largest Presbyterian denominations in the USA (according to Wikipedia) are:

PC-USA: 1,849,496 members
Presbyterian Church in America: 364,019 members
Evangelical Presbyterian Church: 160,000 members
Cumberland Presbyterian Church: 87,000 members
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church: 39,000 members

So it covers a convincing majority of American Presbyterians.

It will be interesting and informative to see what almost 2 million Presbyterians do, and where they go, now that the PC-USA is officially the Church of Sodomy.

10 posted on 06/19/2014 1:42:06 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Alex Murphy
From the article:

The General Assembly voted Thursday in favor of redefining Christian marriage in the church constitution as the union of "two people" instead of "a man and a woman." The redefinition will take effect only if most of the 172 regional Presbyteries approve it in voting over the next year.

Interesting. The "General Assembly" voted for sodomitic apostasy ... now it's to the individual segments for a vote.

And it's a gross (in all senses) and obvious violation of Scripture ... how the heck does something like this even come up for a vote in a supposedly Christian group?

11 posted on 06/19/2014 1:46:34 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

This is no surprise. Just about every Protestant denomination in the country unmoored to solid core doctrine are coming unglued. Anglicans, Evangelicals, Lutherans; Presbyterians; Universalist Churches; Methodists, the list goes on. Heretical beliefs are based, like Luther himself, on personal predilections. Like the Joel Osteens, Billy Grahams, Jim Jones, David Koresh’s, Rev. Schullers, Jeremiah Wright’s, Tammy Faye Bakers, Bishop Jakes, they revolve around the cult of the personality.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 1:52:06 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: alancarp
The largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. will allow pastors to preside at gay weddings

Too bad God will not be there also.

13 posted on 06/19/2014 1:53:35 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: alancarp

I thought the were Christians? Guess not....


14 posted on 06/19/2014 1:57:54 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Steelfish

Let me guess, you are Catholic?


15 posted on 06/19/2014 1:59:31 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: alancarp
Once again, gay marriages are neither gay nor marriages.
16 posted on 06/19/2014 2:03:01 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: alancarp

Jesus promised that the gates of hell wouldn’t prevail against the church (offer valid for the real Church only).


17 posted on 06/19/2014 2:03:21 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Steelfish
Like the Joel Osteens, Billy Grahams, Jim Jones, David Koresh’s, Rev. Schullers, Jeremiah Wright’s, Tammy Faye Bakers, Bishop Jakes, they revolve around the cult of the personality.

Billy Graham does not belong on that list. He does not have, nor did he ever have, nor did he ever encourage, a cult of personality.

And he has been preaching 71 years.

18 posted on 06/19/2014 2:07:15 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: alancarp

“The largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. will allow pastors to preside at gay weddings in states that recognize same-sex marriage.”

Why only states that recognize ‘gay marriage?’ That doesn’t seem fair to their members in states that do not recognize ‘gay marriage.’

FReegards


19 posted on 06/19/2014 2:09:41 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Steelfish

Perhaps you don’t realize you are part of the greatest cult of personality in the history of the world. Also, aside from Luther, you listed a whole host of heretics who do not represent most true Protestant believers.

“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”


20 posted on 06/19/2014 2:11:38 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: alancarp

Well isn’t that just so precious? I did not leave the Christian church; the church let me. Bye, bye sodomites.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 2:20:04 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: alancarp
Presbyterian Pastors Can Preside at Gay Marriages

Especially their own!


22 posted on 06/19/2014 2:24:18 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Alex Murphy; NorthMountain
As you may know, I am a Catholic and I am not trying to either generate or perpetuate any food fights with non-Catholic Christians. I recognize the truth that Alex Murphy has posted that this action of PCUSA is not reflective of all Presbyterians. North Mountain has provided a list of several Presbyterian groups, showing some substantial membership outside of PCUSA.

My question of each of you is which Presbyterian groups are still strongly supporting marriage of one man and one woman as provided in Scripture?

I would also add that there is no victory for anyone but Satan in this action of PCUSA. Each and every Christian of whatever denomination should be horrified by this action and all of us should pray for those in PCUSA whose faith has been betrayed by PCUSA leadership. To which Presbyterian group do each of you believe that PCUSA members of Scriptural loyalty and belief will go and why?

Finally, is there a group who identify as Westminster Profession Presbyterians, reportedly a very morally orthodox group?

May God bless both of you and yours.

23 posted on 06/19/2014 2:33:21 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk; Dr. Thorne
Personally, I expect that individuals whose local PC-USA church goes wobbly will personally leave for the nearest doctrinally comfortable church, preferably Presbyterian in nature, that is still sane. I further expect that some whole local Presbyterian churches will attempt to change their affiliation. Probably to the PCA. It's large, and still sane.

MHO, FWIW.

The situation Dr. Thorne depicts above will not sit well with a whole lot of people. And yes, it is of demonic origin, and this development is not good. Not good at all.

God bless America?

YES!!! God bless America with the grace of repentance and conversion!

24 posted on 06/19/2014 2:47:17 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: alancarp

My Scots-Irish ancestors are rolling in their graves.


25 posted on 06/19/2014 2:51:46 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: alancarp

So now where will all the Presbyterians go?


26 posted on 06/19/2014 3:22:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ransomed
Why only states that recognize ‘gay marriage?’

You'd think that if they believe God is okay with this, they should start performing such ceremonies everywhere - and do so despite any legal consequences or ramifications.

Oh snap, that's right: these guys are careful to go along with the flow of society - never leading, but always jumping on the theologically liberal bandwagons.

27 posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:42 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: Salvation
So now where will all the Presbyterians go?

There are a few options; I can recommend the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). Uncompromisingly scriptural.

28 posted on 06/19/2014 3:36:35 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: exit82

Perhaps less so. But they all made sure they cultivated and maintained links to the White House and wherever they spoke they had large posters of themselves plastered in stadiums etc. These are all non-profit ventures for amassing family wealth and security.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 3:38:56 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Successors to St. Peter following the traditions of the early Church and who believe in the Nicene Creed are no more cults than Christ Himself.


30 posted on 06/19/2014 3:44:43 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: alancarp

“You’d think that if they believe God is okay with this, they should start performing such ceremonies everywhere - and do so despite any legal consequences or ramifications.”

Exactly. ‘Sorry Fred and Dan, we believe it is theologically possible for you to marry, but we are in a state that doesn’t allow it, and they’re the ones who ultimately decide these sorts of things for us.’

Freegards


31 posted on 06/19/2014 4:25:04 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Steelfish

LOL


32 posted on 06/19/2014 4:40:52 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: alancarp

Quote-I can recommend the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). Uncompromisingly scriptural

Except when they observing the pope’s calendar, pope’s sabbath day and pope’s holy days...

Other than those greco roman latin mother church scriptural counterfeits, they are uncompromisingly scriptural...


33 posted on 06/19/2014 4:48:59 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: alancarp; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; ...

Sola Scriptura at work again folks.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 4:50:14 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Ransomed

“Why only states that recognize ‘gay marriage?’ That doesn’t seem fair to their members in states that do not recognize ‘gay marriage.’”

Exactly. It’s because their god is not the God of the Holy Bible but is in fact the government instead.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 5:33:11 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: delchiante; alancarp

Yes. Please come to the PCA(its my denomination). But please also leave all liberalism behind you. The PCA will only ordain men to the office of elder and all elders must affirm the inerrancy of Scripture.


36 posted on 06/19/2014 5:35:11 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: alancarp

Only 61 percent? I figured it would be much higher. Shouldn’t it officially be renamed the “Lesbyterian” Church.


37 posted on 06/19/2014 5:35:53 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Many are conditioned to think the state actually defines marriage. You have to wonder if there are any limits to what groups like these particular pseudo-Presbyterians will actually accept, as long as the state does too. I mean anything is possible, to the state it’s just whatever judges, pols or the voting majority think it can be at any one time.

Freegards


38 posted on 06/19/2014 5:42:06 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

That’s exactly how they think. The PCUSA is also trying to divest from Israel at the same General Assembly. Does that mean it’s now the religion for anti-semitic gays?


39 posted on 06/19/2014 6:05:48 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Heh. Yeah, they have that lock that coveted demographic up. Anti-Semitic homosexuals of the marrying sort have long been neglected.

Freegards


40 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:54 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: .45 Long Colt

One big difference between the Catholic Church and any of the various protestant faiths. Catholic Doctrine is based on the Word of God. Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. God does not make mistakes. The words of God do not change. The Catholic Church will never condone sodomite “marriage”. It comes from the Father of all lies. Satan.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 6:37:59 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: Alex Murphy
just the Presbyterian Church (USA) denomination, not all Presbyterians.

you left out he "YET." Baptists, PCA,. various Lutherans, and a couple of Methodists. 3-5 years and it will the Catholics standing alone against this.

42 posted on 06/19/2014 7:06:50 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga
3-5 years and it will the Catholics standing alone against this.

I got news for you....
Baltimore Catholic Church Celebrates Homosexual "Pride" Month

43 posted on 06/19/2014 8:17:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NKP_Vet; .45 Long Colt
Catholic Doctrine is based on the Word of God. Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. God does not make mistakes. The words of God do not change.

So you all are claiming to be Sola Scriptura now, are you?

44 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

No you don’t, saw it yesterday and it is a far cry from recognizing “pride” to sanctifying marriage.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:47 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: NorthMountain
Thanks for your prompt and informative answer.

As to the Westminster Presbyterians, they may be a local church just north of New Haven, Connecticut, in the town where I used to live rather than a national group. They were rock solid and quite public in their commitments on social issues and morality.

May Presbyterians find a way to create a firewall in one or more associations of Presbyterians thoroughly and faithfully committed to God's Word.

I also want you to know that I and my circle of friends and associates thoroughly agree with your last two paragraphs without reservation. As a nation, we are responsible for 55 million aborted babies (at least) since Herod Blackmun's decision of 1973. Then we moved on to allow just about gay everything including Heather Has Two Mommies and the like at P.S. 666. Now we witness our public officials cheerleading so called "gay""marriage" and forcing even churches to insure employees in such a way as to facilitate such abominations as abortion coverage. And THEN we ask God's blessings upon our increasingly barbarian culture and country. What we need, as you posted, is God's grace of repentance and conversion!

Again, may God bless you and yours!

46 posted on 06/19/2014 9:00:21 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Alex Murphy

One wack-a-doodle parish does not make doctrine for the rest of us.


47 posted on 06/19/2014 9:14:21 PM PDT by Campion
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To: ReformationFan; alancarp

I was attending an orthodox presbyterian church up till a year ago...

And then something amazing happened.. I was drawn away from even that church... and I was attending the pastor classes at the time towards membership and enjoying it all..

But right now, I don’t think any major protestant daughter is far enough away from the mother church...

And I wouldn’t have said that two years ago.. I didn’t study enough to even contemplate that statement...

But two years ago, I didn’t know His calendar and timekeeping and I didn’t know how different it is from the way the world tells time today-

But it is in scripture and found In each and every major event in our Messiah’s life - and one can really see, if His Spirit leads us, to boldly claim the Word did become flesh- and those special appointed times are perfectly fulfilled with His birth, circumcision, dedication, baptism, death, burial and resurrection...why would a believer not want to know those?

Church won’t teach it- they don’t see His calendar as important when they have their own that gives them what they want and allows them to have their own holy days like december 25 and easter...

And tomorrow, for instance, on the world’s calendar, is a work day (even for Jews who were given the calendar)- named for goddesses Freya/Friggs Day ( Friday) I never heard of...

But on His calendar, tomorrow is His seventh day Sabbath, the 22nd day of His 2nd month...no goddesses, no gods, no creations...just numbers...

And Sun’sday coming up is a ‘work day’ on His calendar, but for almost all of Christendom it is a sabbath...(and Jews and messiancs and SDAs miss it too for those who debate that Saturday/Sunday thing)

And the mother churches and almost all her daughters agree on that core issue- or at least accept the pope gregory calendar as the standard to find their sabbath, even though it wasn’t around with Moses or Messiah...and doesn’t use all He gave us to tell time...

And the world accepts it too.. the business world, political powers and the all the major religions- united....

and the god of this ‘world’ with the powers and principalities are our enemy- and anything that unites those should give any believer pause, I think..

We are told- Be not conformed to this world... or put another way, come out of her, my people...

How conformed does the church seem ( or maybe in the case of the mother church, leading) to the world on some basic premises like what day it is, what a work day is, what a sabbath day is, what a holy day is,what a year is, what a month is, etc?

Those are basics to how we think and what we do, on a daily basis.. that is pretty powerful and central to how all mankind live their lives..
And if they are counter to scripture, what are we following?

Dare we even say, what is upon on our foreheads and what are we doing witth our hands?

Ask, seek and knock for yourselves..no church will.. no pastor, preacher, minister, priest, pope, evangelist who likes the world’s system wants to rock the boat that much....

I am not comfortable being on any foundation the world considers solid..Truth will win..

I think the world is counterfeit...and if one never studies genuine, one never sees the phony...the churches are accepting some counterfeits and calling them truth and we go right along.

And is it any wonder we have so many denominations claiming ‘true church’ status can see some come up with ridiculous things like the PCUSA?

All Glory goes to Him for showing me the Genuine!

If the PCA makes a jump to withdraw from the world, that would be an impressive move that would only be brought about by His Spirit.. I Pray it happens in all churches...

But until then,

May He bless your journeys out of the world more than He has mine...


48 posted on 06/19/2014 10:48:02 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: BlackElk

Good for you

May your sense of good grace fall upon the ears of others.

Grace as in good manners


49 posted on 06/20/2014 12:17:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: NorthMountain
"That's right. It's the Presbyterian Church, USA ... which Wikipedia credits with 1,849,496 members."

Those numbers are vastly inflated as members who leave, die or just quit showing are never removed from the rolls. A recent survey showed that the number of members who regularly show up in church is about a third of that.

50 posted on 06/20/2014 5:05:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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