Posted on 05/16/2014 12:34:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Ken Ham and organizations like ICR are trying to return Christianity to its inspired roots. A careful study of all literature will show that a young earth is not only plausible, but probable. The followers of scientism and nature worship have been lying to us for over 150 years. Creation was a miracle. Try to explain that to Gaia worshipers. Darwin was a bitter God-hating fraud and Sagan now knows more about the cosmos than he ever did. The geologic “time scale” is a logical progression of sedimentation after the Noahic Flood.
You probably don’t believe that Jesus Christ transformed water into wine, or fed thousands with few loaves and fishes, all of which require time to produce.
Yep, this world just kinda happened; just took billions of years/ sarc.
Well said.
How old was Adam when God created him? (Why, less than a day old, of course.) How old did Adam APPEAR TO BE when God created him? If a doctor could go back in time to that day, how old would he conclude Adam was?
What about geologic formations such as the Grand Canyon? Was it unkind of God to create such a thing? Should He have made the Earth look “new” (i.e. completely flat and level) and denied us the beauty of the Grand Canyon?
And what about the light from distant stars? We see it and conclude that it originated billions of years ago. Was it deceptive of God to create their light already on its way to (and even arriving at) Earth? Should He have instead denied us the ability to see the stars?
If you believe the Bible, you must accept that all of creation was affected by Adam's sin. If that is the case, we can not take our science of today and look at a world before sin.
We have no way of knowing if the rules that work in a sinful world would also apply to a sinless world.
History is not a straight road, but has a corner we can not see around.
Christians should be more concerned about the end of time, rather than arguing about the beginning of time.
Jesus is coming soon! Heaven is real. Hell is real.
Those who believe in Jesus as Christ their Savior will have an eternity to hear God tell the truth about creation....
We should be more concerned about telliing our friends and neighbors about the Good News while there is still time.
That is precisely the point and why I get irritated with the 6K earthers.
I am strong believer in Christ and the Bible and still believe the Earth is millions of our years old. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is only 6000 years old. Only that man has been here partaking in God’s creation for 6000 years.
At the “end of the day” it doesn’t really matter, though. Are you a new creation in Christ or not? If not, you have bigger problems than how old the Earth is.
I agree with Robertson as to the earth being more than 6000 years old...and the bible actually allows for it!
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
In verse 2 the words "without form" and void" are a a couple of hebrew words tohu and bohu. The grammar leaves open that it could be translated "The earth became without form and void".
In other words, there was a earth that existed prior to this and something caused it become desolate.
There's similar wording in Jeremiah:
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.
The same words tohu and bohu are used and this is describing the state of the world in a warning to Israel if they don't repent.
Also there are events described in the bible that must take place before man was created....such as the fall of Satan and the other third of the angels. Since Satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve sinned he must have fallen at some point before then.
I believe that under the proper circumstances, water will turn into wine.
I had a priest explain the loaves and fishes at mass once...he explained that back then, many people, especially nomads, travelers or those on pilgrimage, carried pretty much all they owned on their person, including food. He had said that the miracle, was that all those that had food, after hearing Jesus speak, shared what they had with those that had none. The priest was a full-bird Capt in the USN.
So essentially, there is no proof that anyone’s sins have been forgiven?
...or men wrote the bible
Is this view official, Pat? Did you get a “word of knowledge” and everything?
Could it be ole lionspaw Pat is a deceiver being deceived in the 2nd Timothy 3:13 sense? Could Pat be one of those described in Romans 1:22? Could Pat have been fooled by the Enemy, an enemy who has been working to make men doubt God’s Word since the Garden?
Pat is just upset there is someone out there more loony then him.
I will believe God. I've had enough experiences to know not to trust my own perception.
The problem is that I don't believe, and nothing in the Bible tells me, that God created rocks in the shape of bones and trees just to mess with my head.
If you choose to think Genesis says He created the whole universe 6,000 years ago, you're free to do so. I know it doesn't say that.
**I believe that under the proper circumstances, water will turn into wine.**
That’s nice. Circumstances.....like a bunch of carbon atoms (and a few stragglers, like iron atoms) got thrown in the water, and then a bolt of lightning.........
Matthew 15:32. Then Jesus called his disciples, “I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have NOTHING to eat; I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.”
So, Jesus took the basket with a few loaves and fishes, that the disciples had, and in short order there was abundance.
If people can’t believe those miracles, how can they believe that Jesus Christ arose after being dead for three days?
I was thinking more like some yeast floating around in the air, maybe some grapes in a jar that was open to the rain...just really bizarre stuff like that.
Lots of folk don’t believe in the resurrection.
There are a lot of views on creation that are held by Christians.
Trying to get the world to buy off on one view over the other will not save one lost soul. Our energy is wasted trying to win this battle. Our call is to preach Jesus.
God doesn’t force you to acknowledge Him. But you will someday. Don’t let it be too late, my FRiend.
Exactly. It’s like arguing over the color for vestments or pew cushions. We’ll all find out what happened the minute we meet the Lord.
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