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How the Pope Is Remaking the GOP
Yahoo! News / The Daily Beast ^ | April 18, 2014 | Michelle Cottle

Posted on 04/18/2014 2:32:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When Jeb Bush stepped up this month to declare illegal immigration “an act of love,” he provoked precisely the conservative pile-on you’d expect. The right’s favorite crabby uncle, Charles Krauthammer, dourly pronounced the comments “bizarre.”. Rep. Raul Labrador accused Jebbie of pandering. Noted intellectual Donald Trump declared Bush’s thinking “ridiculous” and “dangerous.” And God help anyone who ventured onto sites like RedState.com. Most perfectly, fake-winger Stephen Colbert eulogized, “He will be missed.”

In the midst of all the huffing and grumping, it was easy to miss the smaller, quieter sounds of satisfaction emanating from some of Bush’s fellow Catholics, particularly those on the social-justice-minded end of the spectrum. For these faithful, the governor’s assertion—with its decidedly biblical ring—was yet another sign of the change in conversation being driven, even within the fetid swamps of U.S. politics, by the wildly popular Pope Francis.

A little over a year into Francis’s tenure, debate continues to rage throughout the church over the question of just how radical this pope really is, and the degree to which he might shift the Catholic spotlight from issues of sexual morality onto those such as poverty, immigration, torture, and even the environment....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bush; francisi; jebbush; pope
Huh?
1 posted on 04/18/2014 2:32:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Think I’ll move to Vatican city. I’m sure they will welcome me with loving arms.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 2:35:27 PM PDT by DManA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“There is a palpable sense among those of us on the Catholic left that the wind is at our back in a way that it has not been in at least 40 years.”

Would these be those pro abortion Catholics, the CINO's?

3 posted on 04/18/2014 2:36:57 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A little over a year into Francis’s tenure, debate continues to rage throughout the church over the question of just how radical this pope really is, and the degree to which he might shift the Catholic spotlight from issues of sexual morality onto those such as poverty, immigration, torture, and even the environment....

I've always thought the Church should "shine its spotlight" on scripture. A Christian can't properly select a few passages to follow or to emphasize. Rather, the Bible should be taken as a whole, where we do our best to follow scripture, tradition, reason, and the guidance we receive through prayer.

It would not be enough to "take up serpents" and ignore the rest of the Bible, nor is it enough to feed the sick and the hungry if we are self-righteously violating other parts of God's Word. We will all fall short of the goal that is set for us, but we should all hold that as a goal and strive to do our best. Celebrating rebellion against God is not acceptable, not even if we give generously (and for conservative Christians generously with our own money) to help the poor. This is no different from the obvious fact that it is not okay to ignore the poor, the sick, and the hungry merely because we follow scriptural guidance on sexual conduct.

4 posted on 04/18/2014 2:41:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Mastador1

Well look at this way. The Pope gave a blessed rosary to Obama and Obama gave it to Nancy Pelosi. Maybe Pelosi will now give it to Kathleen Sebelius and so one.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 2:57:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Bet Pelosi took the rosary to the Episcopal church when she washed feet.


6 posted on 04/18/2014 2:57:54 PM PDT by tioga
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." John 15:18

7 posted on 04/18/2014 2:57:57 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even some of the Dummies think Colbert plays into the hands of conservatives on immigration.

” I never ceases to amaze me how clueless and tone-deaf progressives are on this issue. Oddly enough - “Americans are a bunch of lazy slobs who shun hard work” - isn’t a persuasive talking point. Who knew?”

“Colbert’s mockery was reserved for ordinary American workers and consumers. Based on what I saw, his young audience won’t be taking away the message that we must improve working conditions on American farms. They’re learning that we must increase the number of visas for migrant farm workers (who are a small percentage of the undocumented workforce) because working class Americans are lazy slobs. “

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9194043


8 posted on 04/18/2014 3:20:30 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Pollster1

‘I’ve always thought the Church should “shine its spotlight” on scripture. A Christian can’t properly select a few passages to follow or to emphasize. Rather, the Bible should be taken as a whole, where we do our best to follow scripture, tradition, reason, and the guidance we receive through prayer.’

Agreed.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 3:23:42 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
The DU guy is right in that is a dumb augmented
The left seem to see the whole argument from the right on illegals is: We don't want to support the illegals..
So Colbert counter: No the illegals are supporting us!

Well that just as bad..people should support themselves..I do not want illegals supporting lazily Americans and I don't want working American supporting illegal. .both are equally wrong. The truth is I want to see Mexico successful. .if this country of Mexico is brimming with so many hard working people their they just spill over the border..why isn't Mexico and economic powerhouse.? The truth is its most all unskilled labor..cheap labor..works that does not pay for itself. imported unskilled labor is basically labor from "Wallmart"..dirt cheap import..but Walmart product is not subsidized by the federal government to drive its price under the total cost.. so it has to sell at a true price that support it being

10 posted on 04/18/2014 3:51:12 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JEB Bush is a RINO and CINO who goes against the Catholic Church teachings on abortion. He is not pro-life, believing that abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, incest and life of mother. In otherwords kill the baby and let the rapist live. This is also Spanky Kristie’s position. This is also Paul Ryan’s position and 99% of the other republican Catholic politicians.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 3:55:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Pollster1
I've been donating to various Catholic charities for eons.
The Church is so assiduous and honest about distributing food, clothing and housing to the poorest of the poor that the U.S. government uses (Who knows now with the Obama administration?) the Catholic Church to distribute foreign aid to those in need.

I also knew that 90 cents out of every dollar donated by non-Catholic charities (i.e. Red Cross) goes to admimistrative costs. For Catholic charities, its the reverse. That makes sense since so many of those charitable foundations (Mother Theresa's Home for the Dying, for example) do their work for the love of God.

Money can't BUY that.

12 posted on 04/18/2014 3:55:59 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

pope francis has spoken out against abortion. why aren’t durbin, biden, and pelosi called out?


13 posted on 04/18/2014 4:19:23 PM PDT by yongin
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To: cloudmountain

According to this list, the Red Cross does better than Catholic charities.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Guide-to-Giving/America-s-Top-50-charities-How-well-do-they-rate


14 posted on 04/18/2014 4:29:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JFK knew what he was doing when he was trying to change the immigration laws to replace the American voters.


15 posted on 04/18/2014 4:48:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: cloudmountain
I've been donating to various Catholic charities for eons.

Then you've been most likely paying for abortions.

POPE CALLS OUT CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR PROMOTING ABORTION, CONTRACEPTION

16 posted on 04/18/2014 5:22:29 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ansel12
The Bren Simon Foundation - The Melvin and Bren Simon Foundation made the list. They have been around for THIRTY years. The Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years worth of charity. I THINK that the Bren Simon Foundation is wonderful, but, will they be around another 2000 years to "calculate" who gives how much to whom? Or do you think that the Catholic Church will STILL be around doing what it's been doing already for 2000 years?

Also, they might not have gotten ALL of it right, especially when VOLUNTEER work isn't computed in there.
If the "man hours" were calculated, that is, the priests, sisters, brothers, monks and unpaid (of course) volunteers, who live their lives for Christ and His charities, I doubt if the Catholic Church would come up third.

In fact it would be my guess that the other charities would be second and third by too large a margin to believe.

How DOES one calculate the hours, months, decades of volunteer work? Do we discount the unpaid work of the sisters, monks, brothers and priests? Does their labor have no price tag? I guess not.

How many Catholics ARE there? Over the past century, the number of Catholics around the world has more than tripled, according to a study by the Pew Research Center. As of 2010, there are nearly 1.1 billion Catholics, up from an estimated 291 million in 1910.

How much do these Catholics contribute in food, housing, clothing, work, medical care, counseling, St. Anthony kitchens? Doctors and nurses have ALWAYS volunteered their time for the poor. That can't be calculated either.
ALL volunteer. There simply IS no price tag for that.

17 posted on 04/18/2014 5:34:37 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ebb tide
Then you've been most likely paying for abortions.

You are assuming way too much, ebb. Our contributions are ear marked, quite specifically--for our parish, parish school, for St. Anthony's kitchens, St. Vincent de Paul, etc.

There is no collection for a "Catholic Charities" group that does abortion-- well, not yet anyway. Our parish collections are shown to us in black and white: how much goes where. That is one of our pastor's duties.
None of the above do abortions.

Any doctor or hospital that DOES do them is committing murder and they know it. If anyone in that charity arena IS performing abortions our archbishop will be the first one to step in and close it down. He didn't get to be archbishop by taking the easy path or being fearful of abortion clinics/doctors/pills/procedures...or the press.

18 posted on 04/18/2014 5:44:09 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Have you given money to the USCCB’s Catholic Campaign for Human Development? It’s an annual collection in all U.S. Catholic churches.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 5:56:32 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: cloudmountain

What are you rambling about?

I read your post on percentages that charities used for overhead, and your numbers seemed way off, especially your claim that the Red Cross used up 90% in administrative costs, in fact you claimed that for all non-catholic charities.

You should go to the link I posted, and then apologize for discrediting charities are not part of the Catholic church, with false claims.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 5:59:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ebb tide
Have you given money to the USCCB’s Catholic Campaign for Human Development? It’s an annual collection in all U.S. Catholic churches.

I didn't know what it was because I didn't know what "human development" was. I don't give for everything.
But, maybe I did. I won't again.

Did you?

21 posted on 04/18/2014 6:00:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Hi, I’m Jeb Bush, and I want to commit an act of love on you.”


22 posted on 04/18/2014 6:02:51 PM PDT by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: ansel12
You should go to the link I posted, and then apologize for discrediting charities are not part of the Catholic church, with false claims.

This makes no sense.

23 posted on 04/18/2014 6:04:55 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ansel12

And, I did go to that link.


24 posted on 04/18/2014 6:07:06 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Nope. I don’t pay for abortions.


25 posted on 04/18/2014 6:08:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ansel12
I stand by my remarks about the Red Cross.

My father remembered them in even a worse light during WWII and right after.

26 posted on 04/18/2014 6:09:44 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ebb tide

Good.


27 posted on 04/18/2014 6:10:04 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

It would make sense if you read you post.

“”I also knew that 90 cents out of every dollar donated by non-Catholic charities (i.e. Red Cross) goes to admimistrative costs. For Catholic charities, its the reverse. That makes sense since so many of those charitable foundations (Mother Theresa’s Home for the Dying, for example) do their work for the love of God. Money can’t BUY that.””


28 posted on 04/18/2014 6:12:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m so tired of the deceitful coverage of this Pope. For every statement he has made that is a bit head-scratching, there 99 orthodox statements which continue in the spirit of John Paul and Benedict. Those orthodox statements provide context and clarity for any statements Francis has made that are a bit puzzling. I wonder if at some point great anger is going to result when people realize the pope can’t rewrite the commandments and the natural law to please hedonists totally overwhelmed by the morally bankrupt/corrupt spirit of the age.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 9:12:36 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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